Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:11 pm  

B0NES wrote:

It's something Hull have never really done . Barring injuries , When do these kids get a fair chance ?.

Precisely, they don't. We might have to rely on some of them next season so why not give them a go this season and see where they are development wise.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:13 pm  

hullandbroncos wrote:

Jim or Matty Bowen ?

All ready got one comedian at the club in Agar.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:14 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Precisely, they don't. We might have to rely on some of them next season so why not give them a go this season and see where they are development wise.

It would be very harsh on them to start next season with no games under their belt and like you say a couple of them will be needed I think next season

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:14 pm  

B0NES wrote:

It's something Hull have never really done . Barring injuries , When do these kids get a fair chance ?.

Think that's a bit simplistic. Whilst the first team are struggling to make an impression on the competition, would you drop Manu, Tickle, Fitz or Westerman to accommodate an academy back rower? Agar allowed Houghton to displace Berrigan because his performances merited it. Hall and Lee played stacks of games for FC being being moved on. I applaud Saints and their approach of getting youngsters straight in the team when required, but much of that this season has been down to a shocking run of injuries. I do think Agar prefers to shift his senior players round to cover an injury rather than simply replace with an academy specialist, but think you're being a bit unfair.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:18 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Precisely, they don't. We might have to rely on some of them next season so why not give them a go this season and see where they are development wise.

Does their lack of first team action suggest they may not all be still with Hull next season?

As you say Agar should at least have a look at them playing Super League level in case they are needed next year and there have been a couple of opportunities to do this none more so then last week at home to Quins when Fitz hardly played off the bench.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:19 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Think that's a bit simplistic. Whilst the first team are struggling to make an impression on the competition, would you drop Manu, Tickle, Fitz or Westerman to accommodate an academy back rower? Agar allowed Houghton to displace Berrigan because his performances merited it. Hall and Lee played stacks of games for FC being being moved on. I applaud Saints and their approach of getting youngsters straight in the team when required, but much of that this season has been down to a shocking run of injuries. I do think Agar prefers to shift his senior players round to cover an injury rather than simply replace with an academy specialist, but think you're being a bit unfair.

Why is he being unfair.....we had prop problems earlier so why didnt Aldous get a game...a 80pt drubbing of a pi$$ poor Oldham team wont do him any good...end of the day...our youngsters dont get chances and the sooner the whole coaching set up is overhauled the better.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:21 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Think that's a bit simplistic. Whilst the first team are struggling to make an impression on the competition, would you drop Manu, Tickle, Fitz or Westerman to accommodate an academy back rower? Agar allowed Houghton to displace Berrigan because his performances merited it. Hall and Lee played stacks of games for FC being being moved on. I applaud Saints and their approach of getting youngsters straight in the team when required, but much of that this season has been down to a shocking run of injuries. I do think Agar prefers to shift his senior players round to cover an injury rather than simply replace with an academy specialist, but think you're being a bit unfair.

I take your point but Agar's policy is part of the problem here. We have a potentially good crop of young players at the club but when exactly will they get their chance?

Shuffling players around is not the answer, young players need a chance at some stage and when a senior player is injured then a young player should be given a shot. Otherwise we can't judge where they are in their progression.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:24 pm  

knocker norton wrote:

Does their lack of first team action suggest they may not all be still with Hull next season?

As you say Agar should at least have a look at them playing Super League level in case they are needed next year and there have been a couple of opportunities to do this none more so then last week at home to Quins when Fitz hardly played off the bench.

That will be most of them then! Last week and the two CC games were the perfect opportunity but we never used it.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:27 pm  

knocker norton wrote:

Does their lack of first team action suggest they may not all be still with Hull next season?

As you say Agar should at least have a look at them playing Super League level in case they are needed next year and there have been a couple of opportunities to do this none more so then last week at home to Quins when Fitz hardly played off the bench.

Aldous should have been in for O'Meley and Kent for Fitz and maybe Crooks instead of Turner...we could have got away with using these players but,for me,its just shows up Agars limitations and confidence.How many of the u21s/20s have actually come through the ranks to be a regular? Houghton is the only 1 i can think of...Briscoe was fast-tracked..Hall and Lee dropped after poor perfomances,Washy gone backwards,Thackray shipped out...any one else...even in our injury hit years,we didnt use them and they appeared in 3 finals,winning 2.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:29 pm  

I don't think you can slag Agar off for playing what is, in his opinion, our best 17.

While we all want to see young players come through, I myself can't wait to see Chris Green play, if one played in front of a available experienced player and he cost us the game these pages would go into melt down.