Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:18 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Personally, I think this point is far less simple than you want to make it. In theory, yes, anything is for sale at the right price, but with the current halfback market that is likely to be prohibitively expensive if it all. The lack of replacements available for any club selling their half means that there is very little, if any benefit to them. It would be like selling your car for more than it's theoretically worth but the only replacement transport you can buy afterwards is a bicycle.

Then there's Kosh's point. Players may not want to leave their clubs, even if said club is willing to sell.

Every club has a replacement half back of some description, be it a utility player in the full squad, a back up player in the full squad, a reserve player or a youth. The quality of that replacement is another matter. In Castleford's case, and remembering there is no relegation, what is more important right now for them?? To try and finish as high in the super league table as possible and hence not sell their most talented players or have the finances in place to assist in club development, a possible stadium move and securing another super league licence. I would think the latter

[Kosh]

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:32 pm  

Robbo4 wrote:

When people say "nobody else is available" what definition are they using? This discussion was about the fact we paid a fee so my point was that any player is available for the right fee. I can't possibly say if players themselves are not available, once an offer has been accepted, because how would anyone know until the player has been approached?

I would guess that most people on here use a subjective measure based on a player's contract status, perceived importance to his current team, and likely desire for a move. It's not perfect but seems to be accurate most of the time.

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:39 pm  

Robbo4 wrote:

I thought the NRL was full of quality halfbacks?

Exaggeration. Whilst it produces more good halfbacks than SL, it's not overstocked with them to the point some think. It's also the case now that there's less incentive for the decent ones to come over.

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:47 pm  

airliebird9 wrote:

Every club has a replacement half back of some description, be it a utility player in the full squad, a back up player in the full squad, a reserve player or a youth. The quality of that replacement is another matter. In Castleford's case, and remembering there is no relegation, what is more important right now for them?? To try and finish as high in the super league table as possible and hence not sell their most talented players or have the finances in place to assist in club development, a possible stadium move and securing another super league licence. I would think the latter

Cas have already lost one of their 1st choice halfbacks last season, and had another from their youngsters picked up by Hudds recently. If they let Chase go as well it would be absolute suicide competitively, as well as with their fans. I made the point previously on this board, whatever good circa £300k towards their new ground would do may well be undone by being rooted to the bottom of the table, and possibly have a detrimental affect on their income from fans to negate the move anyway.

I think this idea that a new ground will secure their SL future is a bit of a white elephant, they still need to be doing ok on the pitch as well (people seem to be forgetting that on-field performance is another factor in SL licensing). For arguments' sake, say they, Salford, and Wakey all get their grounds, what's going to be the deciding factor then? Cas tearing their team apart could end up being their undoing if the other 2 outperform them in the table. They can't afford to take the risk IMO.

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:54 pm  

EXPRO wrote:

thats funny coming from someone whos complete knowledge of current rugby league is gleaned from his sky box , oh sorry and the two matches he attends each year

Your knowledge of rugby league comes from your pc.

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:57 pm  

Robbo4 wrote:

I thought the NRL was full of quality halfbacks?

It is. Not sure what you point is?

If a club sold a half to Hull now they would be short of a half themselves and you only have to look at the lack of movement of halfbacks in SL and NRL this season to realise that there has been little happening.

Anyway we tried with Myler and offered a fee but it never happened.

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:11 pm  

Big Dave T wrote:

Just for the interest of balance, does Richard Agar watch all potential future signings in person or does he watch tapes on them on TV?

if thats balance mate dont ride a bike mate!!
I am sure RA watches the odd game or two live as well unlike our friend standee the well known wikipedia of vertual RL

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:13 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

It is. Not sure what you point is?

If a club sold a half to Hull now they would be short of a half themselves and you only have to look at the lack of movement of halfbacks in SL and NRL this season to realise that there has been little happening.

Anyway we tried with Myler and offered a fee but it never happened.

as with most paul, they believe that the NRL is bursting with halves that have their bags packed ready to come here for less money than back home , oh and the weather they love here too

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:29 pm  

EXPRO wrote:

if thats balance mate dont ride a bike mate!!
I am sure RA watches the odd game or two live as well unlike our friend standee the well known wikipedia of vertual RL

I was merely pointing out that people can form equally valid opinions from watching games on the TV and that some fans cant make it to games for a variety of reasons without having to be judged by the likes of you on here. Still, dont let that get in the way of you throwing insults about at people like Standee for having counter views to yours!

Re: WESTERMAN SIGNING CONFIRMED : Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:32 pm  

TBH whenever we are on sky I always tape it and watch it again when I get home, you certainly do see a lot more on TV, sat in South I some-times do not see clearly what is happening on the other side of the pitch.