I understand that, but they don’t always work (Hodgson for one). Rovers were already on the up when he took charge and he’s done a good job, they’ve made good signings. We have signed a lot of dross for next year with injury prone players thrown in too. I see nothing other than a stronger Wakefield coming up to replace London to say we won’t be in the mix at the bottom again.

I appreciate that there is a huge difference between being an assistant and being a head coach, however Cartwright has been involved in some pretty successful teams, Cowboys, Broncos and NSW just to name a few, you don't get into those clubs on a whim.



The jury will also be out for me until we see change on and off the pitch, however for the time being he is saying all the right things. I have heard some pretty damming stories about the players and what they get up to in training and socially, if he is as strict and comes down as hard as reported, some of these players will be in for a hell of a shock.

If you look at the "expected spines for next season and compare us with the teams we would want to be challenging it would look something like...



Hull

Walker

Abdul

Sullivan?

Cust



Salford

Brierley

Atkin

Sneyd

New hooker?



Leeds

Miller

Frawley

Croft

Ackers



Leigh

O'Brien

Moylan

Lam

Ipape



Huddersfield

Connor

Lolohea

Clune

Milner



I think Leeds & Leigh are better in the spine than us on paper but Salford and Huddersfield i think we could match them. Obviously there may be some new signings which may alter some of their spines etc

If we could get Clifford back for a year, then try get someone longer term for 2026 onwards and Lafai/leutele, I'd be happy with that for next season

Agree with all you say but I think you are being harsh describing the signings as dross. Apart from Asiata and hopefully Abdull I would say the others although pretty average are an improvement on who they'll replace. Given that we are 11th and would have finished bottom in most other seasons we have a lot of catching up to do. Wakefield will be far more competitive than London and teams who we will be competing with at the bottom of the table will be adding to their squads as well. It's vital that we use the quota places to sign a high end Super League quality half a centre and a non quota forward. One positive is going forward is through necessity we have unearthed several quality youngsters who have the potential to be the core of the team for the future. I'll reserve judgement until the recruitment is complete but at the moment I'm not that optimistic that we will improve our league position.

None of our signings are dross, some gambles but better than have.

Surely we can get clifford back, he's not getting a look in at first team action and no contract for next year. We all know what he could be capable of in an improved team that (fingers crossed) will be coached better. Could sell the deal to him as a fresh start to player and club. Can really see this happening

In addition to a 6 or 7 (I'd replace Trueman and Abdul but we'll have at least one of them next year), a big, fast centre and a back row, I still think we really lack size and experience in our middles. Only Ese has and size. Asiata is a completely different type of middle that we've had for years. We need some additional grunt. The best halves in the world struggle behind beaten packs.

That would be the best option for me but can't see it happening.

Think if we had Sao, Ese Ese, Ashworth in the front row we have some size.



Think we need another forward, either backrow or prop as Staveley can play either position.

Dross maybe a bit harsh, but baring Asiata, we have signed mostly players who can’t get in their owns sides, unless the last two quota spots are used on genuine quality I can’t there being much improvement in our league position. I was hoping for Lam as not only him being a great half back it would have still left us with two quota spots to play with as well.

Cust, Trueman and Abdul is a recipe for disaster injury wise.

I’ll reserve judgement but I don’t see much in the way of positives at the minute.

walker, abdul and cust are all sicknotes (and massively unfit in abdul's case) and we haven't signed a scrum half. Massive risk in relying on those 3 Cust isn't even a specialist hooker

i don't think it's any coincidence that Holmes, Borough and Cust haven't been getting a game since it was announced they would be leaving their respective clubs.

All 3 where in the starting 17's pretty regularly up until then (barring injuries)

As has been said many times, Myler was having to play catch up with recruitment when he was appointed so think he's done pretty well pesonally considering he's been fishing in a small pond so to speak.

All signings ( Asiata apart) might not have the wow factor which we all crave but they are all good professional's with experience who are also good people off the pitch ( Hardaker the exception

) and that is massively important moving forward.



Myler has said they are just about done with recruitment and they are pretty happy with where they are going to be at the end of it so let's just wait and see who they reveal.

I agree this could be a reality if what seems to be our annual halfback hunt ends in failure.



Not quite hand-wringing yet but serious quality is needed otherwise progress will be difficult to say the least.

I’ll prepare to be underwhelmed

No, He's a halfback who can cover hooker. Im pretty certain Abdull will be getting an off season programme and that he'll have to hit certain markers by the time pre season starts.

I don't think that is necessarily the case. Leigh and Salford are battling it out for play off places and you would imagine will play their strongest team irrespective of them leaving. Partington for instance has signed for Catalan but is still a regular for Salford. It happens at every club.



I do agree about Myler having to play catch up.

Completely agree with this, I don’t buy the line “he’s not playing because they are leaving”



All players still playing despite leaving. Only seems to some of the ones we’ve signed that aren’t





Johnstone

Davies

Makinson

McMeeken

Dodd

Nicholson

Asiata

Hall

Masters

Hardaker

Partington

Abdul

If rumours are to be believed he was given certain criteria’s to hit by Willie Peters and he turned up a stone overweight

I have a very radical solution for all our new players when all are announced and some won’t like it on here and I may run the risk of a ban.Why don’t we actually see how they play in the 1st FEW rounds as it will take a bit for them to gel before we start slagging them off and getting abusive about someone’s weight

Just on this^^^ Does anyone actually know whats happened with Oli Holmes? Is he on loan anywhere as for him to not even make the 17 or 18 for weeks and weeks is odd, hes always off surfing and walking on IG etc so hes clearly not busy with the club at present? Just feels like an odd situation with him still being a handy 2nd rower

Cannot see it happening, I think we need to get over that idea.



His wife is due to give birth in December and going by their social media they are loving life over there with their friends and families. Why would they want the upheaval of a third major move in three years. He has no emotional attachment to Hull either.

Abdull apparently told fans over in Catalan that he has a target weight for the start of pre season and has a personal trainer all sorted and knows what he needs to get to, so lets see if he gets to that.



As for some of the other players - Cust, Holmes, Bourouh, their lack of games will hopefully help them be fit and healthy leading into pre season with us

I do see what your saying however money talks, is he going to get a financially better offer over there? I really don't know

I remember the last overweight injury prone fullback we signed from Rovers….. Albert Kelly. Let’s judge Abdul round 1



Josh Rourke should be on our radar. Got something about him, young and would be cheap. Walker (if he stays), Rourke and Moy is a steady fullback trio