Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:12 pm  

Black and white legend wrote:

How was it fine Paul the ball carrying arm hit the ground therefore tackle complete Tomkins then span and put the ball down eqals double movement

I couldn't understand that. Usually, if any part of the ball carrying arm touches the ground whilst the defender is touching the player results in the tackle being complete at that point

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:15 pm  

feel sorry for phelps, that is the luckiest ball bounce i have seen yet, also turner looked heartbroken after he threw that pass but you could see with the effot he put in after he was determined to make up for it, think he scored a try aswell so well done lad, starting to look like a decent centre if he keeps getting game time there, not a fan of moving players around unless your richard whiting

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:17 pm  

awilco wrote:

feel sorry for phelps, that is the luckiest ball bounce i have seen yet,

he should have got boot to ball and put it in row ZZ

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:20 pm  

Whats the exact rule on that?
As far as I'm aware if your arm keeps moving its fine.
Got to admit though that Tomkin's two tries were class and that one player was the difference tonight.

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:20 pm  

Hutchie wrote:

he should have got boot to ball and put it in row ZZ

Exactly, it's his own fault for going into a slide 10 metres before getting to the ball.

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:22 pm  

muddyboots wrote:

Whats the exact rule on that?
As far as I'm aware if your arm keeps moving its fine.
Got to admit though that Tomkin's two tries were class and that one player was the difference tonight.

The ball carrying arm hit the ground, if he'd slid over the line then fine, but he reached out. That's not allowed. As Hutchie said earlier.

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:25 pm  

east hull FC fan wrote:

The ball carrying arm hit the ground, if he'd slid over the line then fine, but he reached out. That's not allowed. As Hutchie said earlier.

Looked a clear try to me, the tackler had fallen off.

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:33 pm  

Hutchie wrote:

he should have got boot to ball and put it in row ZZ

east hull FC fan wrote:

Exactly, it's his own fault for going into a slide 10 metres before getting to the ball.

Thought Phelps had another pretty bad game in defence again tonight. His positioning was all over the place.

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:35 pm  

Tomkins try - the rules regarding double movements are always changing and who knows what this weeks version is so I won't argue that.

Obst non try, 50-50 but Hull get the wrong end of the stick.

Overall I didn't think the ref did too bad against a team that constantly pushes the envelope. Wigan are a fantastically inventive attacking side but they couple that with the most outrageous cheating and foul play they can get away with. They put the ref under enormous pressure and I thought he stood up reasonably well to them though he certainly could have put a couple in the bin.

What are the biggest worries for me are the injuries to Radford and Moa. I hope they are closely examined and any foul play gets suitably punished. Obviously this won't help Hull as such but the grubby cheating Wigan practice has no place in the game.

Re: Major talking points : Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:39 pm  

east hull FC fan wrote:

The ball carrying arm hit the ground, if he'd slid over the line then fine, but he reached out. That's not allowed. As Hutchie said earlier.

The rules aren't exactly clear on this...the rules state...

"Sliding tackle 5. If a tackled player, because of his momentum slides along the ground, the tackle is deemed to have been effected where his slide ends. (See Section 6, 3(c).)"

With regards to a second movement the rules say "When an attacking player is tackled within easy reach of the goal line he should be penalised if he makes a second movement to place the ball over the line for a try."

Given that the rule about a sliding tackle says the tackle is complete when the slide ends and the rule about a second movement refers to when a player is 'tackled' then it would suggest Tomkins was allowed to reach out for the line because the tackle hadn't been completed.