[Chris71]

Re: Kelly : Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:30 pm  

Sebasteeno wrote:

FFS will people stop going on about Sneyd attacking the line!!!! Its not his game!!!! Hes an organiser and a kicker - now these are areas he could improve on as hes very hot and cold and needs more consistency but lots of that depends on how the teams playing. The pack doesnt have to be dominating but the team has to be playing good percentage rugby for Sneyds game to work and unfortunately too many errors ruin our percentage plays and nullifies Sneyds key attributes

FFS as you put it whilst it may not be his game in your opinion the fact he actually has the ability to do it and when he does he looks a far better player is what is frustrating as he has shown this season. So to say it's not his game is tosh when he's shown he can do it, otherwise he his a one trick pony and totally predictable.

Re: Kelly : Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:23 am  

Chris71 wrote:

FFS as you put it whilst it may not be his game in your opinion the fact he actually has the ability to do it and when he does he looks a far better player is what is frustrating as he has shown this season. So to say it's not his game is tosh when he's shown he can do it, otherwise he his a one trick pony and totally predictable.

Exactly. For the shift plays to work, he needs to engage defenders but he doesn't. Therefore, defenders sit off him and its easier for them to shift across and cover the runners

[Chris71]

Re: Kelly : Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:17 am  

Wilde 3 wrote:

Chris71 wrote:

FFS as you put it whilst it may not be his game in your opinion the fact he actually has the ability to do it and when he does he looks a far better player is what is frustrating as he has shown this season. So to say it's not his game is tosh when he's shown he can do it, otherwise he his a one trick pony and totally predictable.

Exactly. For the shift plays to work, he needs to engage defenders but he doesn't. Therefore, defenders sit off him and its easier for them to shift across and cover the runners

Thats my point, don't get me wrong I like Sneyd as a player but what really stood out during the game against St's is that he very rarely got close to the St's defensive line which made our attacking threat non existent and St's found it easy to contain. When he actually takes to the line and draws in one or two defenders that then allows for us as the attacking team to open up the holes created in the defensive line. This he has proved he can do and is in his game. Now I am not talking about him breaking the line etc just that he needs to engage the defenders more as when he does this not only does he create doubt in the defensively line etc he also creates holes in the defensive line which he himself has utilised and gone through.

[Chris71]

Re: Kelly : Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:39 am  

Back on topic re Kelly hopefully his issue isn't too serious and is carrying a knock rather than an injury as such. He has looked to be carrying a knock the last few games and has been targeted quite heavily by opposing teams. Question Radford has now is if Albert is not 100% does he risk him on Friday or rest him?

Connor is more than an able replacement for Kelly if needed to rest him.

[Karen]

Re: Kelly : Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:32 am  

threepennystander wrote:

Can't really blame any kr fan for enjoying Kelly getting injured when you consider what he did to rovers and the end result.I'd feel the same TBH. It's not like he's in hospital with a suspected broken neck or even a career ending injury. Always going to get stick though for posting on here and quite right. Fingers crossed fit for the semi but if not 90%+( no players 100% this time of year) wouldn't risk it.

I could never enjoy a player being injured....relieved if we're due to play them lol, but never gloat like that.

Re: Kelly : Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:11 am  

threepennystander wrote:

Can't really blame any kr fan for enjoying Kelly getting injured when you consider what he did to rovers and the end result.I'd feel the same TBH. It's not like he's in hospital with a suspected broken neck or even a career ending injury. Always going to get stick though for posting on here and quite right. Fingers crossed fit for the semi but if not 90%+( no players 100% this time of year) wouldn't risk it.

Finally someone with a bit of sense.
If Danny Houghton or Gareth Ellis pulled up for example, there wouldn't be a single part of me that would think 'they deserve it'. These two are fine players, loyal and have done more in their game over here then Kelly could ever envisage.

I'd say the same if Kelly signed for Saints or someone. It's not anti Fc in the slightest.

Re: Kelly : Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:18 pm  

ChampagneSuperRovers wrote:

Finally someone with a bit of sense.
If Danny Houghton or Gareth Ellis pulled up for example, there wouldn't be a single part of me that would think 'they deserve it'. These two are fine players, loyal and have done more in their game over here then Kelly could ever envisage.

I'd say the same if Kelly signed for Saints or someone. It's not anti Fc in the slightest.

There's some players who even as a opposing fan you just can't help respect and like. Ellis and Houghton obviously fit that mould for a lot of non hull supporters. For myself James Roby is a perfect example of a player I can't ever remember getting angry at. Even when he's scored trys against us ( and there's been plenty ) I find myself being angry we've allowed it more than anything. Most players are decent guys and some simply don't help themselves. Kelly falls into the latter for kr fans just as cookie did for us. I used to hate barrie mac when he played for leeds but after reading his book and then meeting him found him to be a top bloke. It's pantomime at the end of the day. In every great story you need someone to love and route for and someone to hate.

Re: Kelly : Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:33 am  

threepennystander wrote:

There's some players who even as a opposing fan you just can't help respect and like. Ellis and Houghton obviously fit that mould for a lot of non hull supporters. For myself James Roby is a perfect example of a player I can't ever remember getting angry at. Even when he's scored trys against us ( and there's been plenty ) I find myself being angry we've allowed it more than anything. Most players are decent guys and some simply don't help themselves. Kelly falls into the latter for kr fans just as cookie did for us. I used to hate barrie mac when he played for leeds but after reading his book and then meeting him found him to be a top bloke. It's pantomime at the end of the day. In every great story you need someone to love and route for and someone to hate.

Excellent post - we all have players who we dislike when they play against our teams. Cunningham at Saints would score from acting half and you knew it was coming but couldn't be prevented. He was always respected though. Chase, on the other hand who is a brilliant player, is despised because of his personality which shows in his play. Many supporters would be happy to see him injured. Kelly let Rovers down very badly when they needed him most and left Hudgell with no other option but to sack him. The result was a much weaker Rovers team with two vital games to play both of which were lost by one point. I and many others believe we would have remained in super league had he not gone walkabout. He would have been loathed wherever he went but going to the dark side only makes it easier to wish him bad fortune. This is not peculiar to Rovers fans, Cookie actually feared for his own safety for a while from angry FC fans. As you say it's all a pantomime.

Re: Kelly : Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:13 am  

Eton st robin wrote:

Excellent post - we all have players who we dislike when they play against our teams. Cunningham at Saints would score from acting half and you knew it was coming but couldn't be prevented. He was always respected though. Chase, on the other hand who is a brilliant player, is despised because of his personality which shows in his play. Many supporters would be happy to see him injured. Kelly let Rovers down very badly when they needed him most and left Hudgell with no other option but to sack him. The result was a much weaker Rovers team with two vital games to play both of which were lost by one point. I and many others believe we would have remained in super league had he not gone walkabout. He would have been loathed wherever he went but going to the dark side only makes it easier to wish him bad fortune. This is not peculiar to Rovers fans, Cookie actually feared for his own safety for a while from angry FC fans. As you say it's all a pantomime.

Thats one view point and could well be a very well be the real one, but I doubt there are many that know the full facts of the situation.

Could well be that Hudgell is poor at man management. Lets face it, he does let his emotions as a fan take over some times.

Re: Kelly : Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:54 pm  

Eton st robin wrote:

Excellent post - we all have players who we dislike when they play against our teams. Cunningham at Saints would score from acting half and you knew it was coming but couldn't be prevented. He was always respected though. Chase, on the other hand who is a brilliant player, is despised because of his personality which shows in his play. Many supporters would be happy to see him injured. Kelly let Rovers down very badly when they needed him most and left Hudgell with no other option but to sack him. The result was a much weaker Rovers team with two vital games to play both of which were lost by one point. I and many others believe we would have remained in super league had he not gone walkabout. He would have been loathed wherever he went but going to the dark side only makes it easier to wish him bad fortune. This is not peculiar to Rovers fans, Cookie actually feared for his own safety for a while from angry FC fans. As you say it's all a pantomime.

Anyone who would be happy to see a player injured is a moron. There's no 'pantomime' about that.