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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:44 pm  
Not one single player in our squad stands out as captain material. Not one. That speaks volumes of the make up of it. Devoid of leaders and it shows. Conner would be worst choice possible.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:45 pm  
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He destroyed Leeds and Salford at the start of the season. 2 teams that made the play-offs.

We finished 9th.


And Wigan, not sure what people want, Lomax would look shocking half the time in our team.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:45 pm  
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He destroyed Leeds and Salford at the start of the season. 2 teams that made the play-offs.

We finished 9th.


So 2 big performances this season then? Thats not enough for me and he symbolises everything that is wrong at the club: arrogant and unfit
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:46 pm  
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Not one single player in our squad stands out as captain material. Not one. That speaks volumes of the make up of it. Devoid of leaders and it shows. Conner would be worst choice possible.


Don't agree on Connor, wouldn't be the worst, at least he is passionate and a talker, but agree with you that there are no one that stands out as captain material
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:53 pm  
Tony Smith and our new coach Willie Peters both stress that when signing players it is the man’s attitude and personality that needs to be considered before playing ability. Admittedly this doesn’t always prove to by an accurate assessment but yesterday showed that recently we have got it right more often than not. I could not see that FC take such important issues into consideration. May be that is why you have the same issues season after season irrespective of the changes in coaches and players. Jake Connor despite his periodic brilliance is a prime example. Yesterday the going was tough. How did he respond? With petulance, missed tackles, dropped ball and wayward passes. He is a senior player. He should be demonstrating leadership skills not behaving like a frustrated child. Some supporters want him to be captain in 2023. That is really going to drive the club forward.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:00 pm  
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So 2 big performances this season then? Thats not enough for me and he symbolises everything that is wrong at the club: arrogant and unfit


Where do you think we'd have finished without him?

There's far bigger problems at the club then your perception of Connor.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:04 pm  
Marcus's Bicycle wrote:
He destroyed Leeds and Salford at the start of the season. 2 teams that made the play-offs.

We finished 9th.


Five try assists against Wigan in May. 185 metres and 23 carries against Catalans. Two try assists in both games against Huddersfield. We only scored three tries in the last two games against Saints and he got two assists.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:05 pm  
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Tony Smith and our new coach Willie Peters both stress that when signing players it is the man’s attitude and personality that needs to be considered before playing ability. Admittedly this doesn’t always prove to by an accurate assessment but yesterday showed that recently we have got it right more often than not. I could not see that FC take such important issues into consideration. May be that is why you have the same issues season after season irrespective of the changes in coaches and players. Jake Connor despite his periodic brilliance is a prime example. Yesterday the going was tough. How did he respond? With petulance, missed tackles, dropped ball and wayward passes. He is a senior player. He should be demonstrating leadership skills not behaving like a frustrated child. Some supporters want him to be captain in 2023. That is really going to drive the club forward.


Completely agree, the recruitment at FC has been a mess since Motu Tony left, latest concern is we seem to be signing utility players with no clear plan of who is playing what role.

I also think we have signed players who are just average in all areas like Mcintosh, whereas Radford favoured power over everything else. Its not clear if we are trying to be a fast, strong, off the cuff or structred team we have just averaged out and not sucesseding in any areas.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:08 pm  
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Where do you think we'd have finished without him?

There's far bigger problems at the club then your perception of Connor.


The club allows him to get by on the bare minimum fitness levels, if you didn't follow RL and you saw him in the street I'd doubt you'd guess he was a rugby player he just looks like an average joe who goes to the gym once a week. In the unlikely event an NRL team took a gamble on him they'd send him on an intense boot camp to get him up to speed.

He's also then allowed to prat about messaging our ex coach before games, mouth off at refs all game. Woulden't happen at a club with better standards and it sets a bad example for the younger players.
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Re: 2023 Captain? : Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:19 pm  
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The club allows him to get by on the bare minimum fitness levels
, if you didn't follow RL and you saw him in the street I'd doubt you'd guess he was a rugby player he just looks like an average joe who goes to the gym once a week. In the unlikely event an NRL team took a gamble on him they'd send him on an intense boot camp to get him up to speed.

He's also then allowed to prat about messaging our ex coach before games, mouth off at refs all game. Woulden't happen at a club with better standards and it sets a bad example for the younger players.


I think fitness is an issue for the whole team. Second half capitulations are not just down to attitude.
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