Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:01 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Dont agree with that
These players are not the best but its obvious they have downed tools
Whether we agree with that method or not Smith seems to be the problem.
The Hoy situation and his fathers tweet seems to confirm there are problems with Smith and you only have to look at the Balmforth situation as its looks like those two have had words hence Balmforth doesnt get a look in for selection.
Of the injured players there is only Walker and Trueman who you may say could make a difference but i wouldnt bank on Trueman ripping up trees as in my opinion his injuries have cought up with him and the pace he had before his first injury at Castleford was clearly missing when we saw him playing alongside Clifford

No, it's not "obvious", it's a theory. Similarly it's not obvious that Smith has fallen out with Balmforth, again it's just a theory.

Another theory is that the players just aren't good enough. Better players have left than the ones recruited. Now whether the blame for that lays at Smith's door or Pearson's or Clarke's is open to debate.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:11 pm  

Milky121086 wrote:

it is 100% pointless, answer a question for me... if we played to 100% the maximum of our capabilities with the players we currently have, injuries etc etc where do you think we would be in the table? **spoiler alert** we would be no higher....

What a load of rubbish

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:17 pm  

bonaire wrote:

No its not pointless if its Smith who is the catalyst for the on field problems which it seems to be.
We dont know what Grix is all about but get rid of Smith and his right hand man and give Grix the position till the end of the season
Cant be any worse

We’ve been on a steady decline for 7 years, Smith is far from the ‘catalyst’. What we’re seeing is the result of bad recruitment and retention over that time period, on and off the field, stoked by obvious reduction in spends.

I’m not defending Smith, he should be doing a lot better like a lot of the people at the club should be, but this all started way before he was with us.

[Chris71]

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:39 pm  

Milky121086 wrote:

it is 100% pointless, answer a question for me... if we played to 100% the maximum of our capabilities with the players we currently have, injuries etc etc where do you think we would be in the table? **spoiler alert** we would be no higher....

To be fair I agree I doubt we’d likely finish any higher up the table if Smith was removed. However I would also say it’s not about league position that’s the big issue more the inept and woeful performances that are now very much common place, under Smith we no longer have peaks and troughs in performance it’s just turd every week now.

For me despite Smiths ramblings about players buying in it looks very much to be either the total opposite or that there is simply no structures or game plans being put in place or adequate training methods.

I’ve said before I question the qualifications & credentials of Gene in terms of Coaching ability and what he actually brings to the club.

It’s clear there is something very very wrong within, from Pearson, through to Clark and down to Smith.

I don’t think Smith even with his experience is the right fit or right coach to turn things round on the pitch. If he were we’d have seen improvement in some areas on the field but all we see which is frankly undeniable is the we are actually getting worse each week. The levels of poor performance are not and should not be acceptable and certainly not when our current coach is so experienced.

I know we have a poor squad and injuries but that does not even come close to being an excuse for the continuation of p15s poor discipline, lack of intensity and line speed, all of which are simple and basic aspects of the game.

Yes the players should be doing better but other than Houghton, Lane and Tuimavave it is pretty much a fresh group of players from the previous lot downed tools. So I don’t believe it’s a repeat of player power etc I think it is poor recruitment and very very poor coaching.

I also think it’s time that Pearson faced the music and showed his face to the fans and spoke to us all instead of hiding away as this got me is the biggest insult that the owner/chairman and the CEO have gone in to hiding.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:49 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

To be fair I agree I doubt we’d likely finish any higher up the table if Smith was removed. However I would also say it’s not about league position that’s the big issue more the inept and woeful performances that are now very much common place, under Smith we no longer have peaks and troughs in performance it’s just turd every week now.

For me despite Smiths ramblings about players buying in it looks very much to be either the total opposite or that there is simply no structures or game plans being put in place or adequate training methods.

I’ve said before I question the qualifications & credentials of Gene in terms of Coaching ability and what he actually brings to the club.

It’s clear there is something very very wrong within, from Pearson, through to Clark and down to Smith.

I don’t think Smith even with his experience is the right fit or right coach to turn things round on the pitch. If he were we’d have seen improvement in some areas on the field but all we see which is frankly undeniable is the we are actually getting worse each week. The levels of poor performance are not and should not be acceptable and certainly not when our current coach is so experienced.

I know we have a poor squad and injuries but that does not even come close to being an excuse for the continuation of p15s poor discipline, lack of intensity and line speed, all of which are simple and basic aspects of the game.

Yes the players should be doing better but other than Houghton, Lane and Tuimavave it is pretty much a fresh group of players from the previous lot downed tools. So I don’t believe it’s a repeat of player power etc I think it is poor recruitment and very very poor coaching.

A few players comments on gene , are he’s a nice bloke but his ideas and coaching methods are old school and not what they’ve been used to at other clubs .

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:13 pm  

Windy winger wrote:

A few players comments on gene , are he’s a nice bloke but his ideas and coaching methods are old school and not what they’ve been used to at other clubs .

Well he is 87

But apart from being Tony's mate what is he actually doing there?

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:49 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Well he is 87

But apart from being Tony's mate what is he actually doing there?

Well I've got to say the training cones looked impeccably aligned on Saturday .

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:00 am  

B0NES wrote:

Well I've got to say the training cones looked impeccably aligned on Saturday .

Pretty much like his time at Rovers, where his employment was probably based on nostalgia rather than coaching ability.

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:21 am  

Before you all laugh - this is a true story - I was Tim Glasbys boss.
Not the Tim Glasby when he played for Storm and Queensland, but when he worked very part time for Hostplus the
Pension Fund manager in Melbourne.

Hostplus is a big sponsor of Storm and so Tim came into the office once a fortnight for 6 hours and we chatted rugby here and there.

Tim said if Craig Bellamy (greatest coach ever in rugby league) -

“Craig is a FIRM man but also FAIR”

I know we cannot describe any FC coach like that in the last 30 years !!!

Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go? : Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:27 am  

tommyfromhull wrote:

What a load of rubbish

Care to elaborate? How is it rubbish whats your counter argument? Can you honestly say we would be any higher? are we better than Salford? Huddersfield? Leeds? Leigh? NO! So therefore we are were we should be given the roster available to us. You could argue with every single player fit we could push for maybe top 8 but that's about it. and before you say it i am not saying the performances couldn't be better, of course they could but realistically the results would be the same, i cant think of one game we have lost this year that we could have won even playing to our full potential can you?