Its the level of performance or rather the total lack of it in just about every aspect of our play that is the biggest issue for me under Smiths tenure. I don't think anyone would argue that with the current squad we aren't likely to climb up the table no matter who the coach is or isn't but under Smith we have gone even further backwards since Hodgson. At least with Hodgson we saw some glimpses of promise but under Smith I've seen nothing whatsoever other than a continual slide in standards, effort, performance etc, we no longer have peaks and troughs in performances just all are now in the trough bracket.



That for me is what is unacceptable more than defeats.

Thing is under Hodgson we still had a few players with undoubted class ones that could lift the rest (when they could be ar*ed) all be it infrequently. They have gone and never been replaced like for like so we are left with the rest bumping along at a low level of performance totally inept but totally consistently poor. We have to replace Sneyd, Griffin, Manu Ma'u, Taylor, Swift and Satae with at least players as good as them before we even get back there again. How many of them have we honestly replaced? Sobering thought really.

I think even she would fail to provide a lift

For all that we have played awfully in every game, we have had blips of good play. If we maintained these very brief blips up for the whole game, we would have challenged and probably won some games. This is obviously a massive if, but that was the point of your post - if they all played to the best of their ability we wouldn’t have done any better. This, in my humble opinion, is a load of tosh.



Our biggest problem for years has been inconsistency - last year we beat Leeds, Wigan, Rovers, Warrington and Saints. But also got trounced on multiple occasions. This year they haven’t shown anywhere near those efforts. If they did, we’d have had results.

I think its unfair to say its worse then Hodgson, since 2018 we have had losing runs of at least 7 or more. Four head coaches have failed yet 10 players from that era remain, no youngsters with real talent has come through the door.



All ive seen is the playing squad get worse and this is being reflected on the pitch. Hodgson had a far bigger salary cap then Smith to play with.



Results should be better, but I dont buy all this its the coaches job to motivate the team bullcrap. They are professionals and should have the correct attitude from the off. My boss doesnt need to tell me how to do my job. The attitude of the players has stunk for years, long before Smith. If Smith goes then the next guy should be allowed to pay off the players who continue to fail.



Whether we like it or not we are not an attractive club for any player at the moment, the amount of players who have rejected comining here is frightening. Ive heard from reliable source that we are well scraping the barrel when it comes to recruitment, nobody wants to be here.



Such a toxic enviroment at the moment and I thought Pearson was blind to even think appointing a coach like Tony Smith would solve the issue. Its far far deeper then that, the only way we will get better players is to climb up the table and pay over the odds for players to come here.



Its a very dark situation, ive never known such discontent from the club and the supporter base. They is no unity here and hasnt being for a long while. In my opinoin the only way that will change is by change at the very top.

I get what your saying but i respectfully disagree, again like i said already even if we played to full potential i genuinely don't think any of the results would have changed, there's so far been two games where you could say that at some stage we was in the arm wrestle of the game (Catalans and Wire away) we played really well in both games but you still get the feel both of the opposition could have gone up another gear if they had to. All other games have been blow outs where we wasn't even close to challenging, Leigh brought a weakened team yet even if we played at 100% potential they would have still beat us, too fast, too clever in the halves the list goes on...

I don't think its unfair to say we are worse under Smith than under Hodgson. Yes we have a poorer squad and clearly a smaller budget to play with than Hodgsons tenure. However that is just excusing the failings and failure of the current coaching staff to instil aspects of the game where budget and ability don't have any real impact such as discipline. It's difficult to argue that our discipline on the field isn't worse than ever surely and that is something that Smith has had 2 preseasons to sort out. We aren't talking about a coach that's inexperienced either which just makes the lack of any improvement in the basics even more alarming.



I agree the players should be doing better but much like any environment if the Coach/Manager can not get their staff to carry out the instructions given or motivate them then they are the ones that carry the can for that failure and its not like he's only been at the club a coupe of weeks either.



The standard of the squad I agree is a reason why results in terms of losses are like they are however it does not excuse the poor performances which without beating around the bush are verging on pathetic. We've had teams that in terms of ability and talent have been poorer or similar and whilst we suffered losses there was effort and pride in the performances that they put in and you could see the structures in place. For me I see none of this at all under Smith just more and more issues and toxicity.



To say its not down to Smith and pin it on the poor squad and budget is for me ignoring the issue that we look like a very poorly coached team, with no structure, no accountability and no pride.

Very few would argue with the bit in bold but its not the results or lack of them it is the sheer scale of the poor performances that are now common place. I wouldn't even say they've downed tools as it looks like they are unable to even pick them up to start with. They are clearly are not prepared well enough nor ready to start a game as again the performances so far show.

This is the worse SL squad we have ever assembled, it was lazy to appoint Smith and think he would improve us without the resources like he has everywhere else he has being. I dont get why Pearson has given the likes of Radford an open cheque book and Smith the worst Salary Cap budget since his tenure as owner.



Im not saying things shouldnt be better but to think we was any better under hodgson is quite frankly ridiculous in my view. The sane stuff happened and the same tonkings and losing runs happened.



Smith has turned up any trees here but I dont think he is being given the right tools either, the job is obviousley alot bigger then we all thought.



You can say the coach must carry the can but 4 head coaches and same players says enough for me. They have to go and I reckon that most sane people wouldnt like a tonking every week. That is an attitude problem and the fact they turn up week after week producing those displays shows me they either arent upto it or do not have any passion or pride.



I dont believe for one second that Smith is telling them to be this poor. They literally get tonked and offer no response, that for me is on the players.



As I say the fact we are even having this discussion shows how toxic the club is.

so in a strange turn of events im currently in the middle of a conversation with Tex Hoys dad on Instagram direct messaging, hes saying some very very harsh things

Hope you find that attention you are seeking.

Some are saying it's the same players but different coaches. This is not totally the case as the majority of the squad assembled are his signings limited budget or not. If, however Clark had the finally say in the decisions I'll absolve Smith of some of the blame and conclude that we are even more amateurish that I first thought.

sorry what???? I'm simply saying who im speaking to and given recent posts etc thought it was quite on trend so to speak... i can screenshot etc but there are some offensive words used about TS and his treatment of Tex, i have disagreed with him as i genuinely don't believe TS would have the rep he does if he treat players poorly, i think its more likely to be some home truths they don't wanna hear about how the apply themselves on/off the field etc... Connor Wynne for example?? They dont like it so are throwing strops



Lastly what attention am i seeking by trying to get everyone some further insight into a players dads comment's?

I’d suggest messaging players dads and then posting it on here shows you are looking for some attention. Otherwise you’d have just done it in private and kept it to yourself

Bollox.

Get it banged on here and let's have a gander.

Is Milky121086 Tony Smith? Asking for a friend







Gotta laugh or we'll all cry things are that bad.

Never uploaded a pic before but here you go...

Haha if I was I wouldn't be very happy with Tex Hoys dad lol

I thought he was referring to Cookie.

Eh??? A club legend? Who was treated awfully by us?

Our resident Rovers nuisance

When you look at where the criticism is coming from, It’s from those, or those connected with them, where the attitude was questionable anyway.

That’s why Wynne can’t get a game in Fevs team. Why Griffin can tell Hodgson to eff off but Smith soon got rid, etc, etc.

I remember when we signed Hoy reading that his connections to the Johns family, and the “fame” of his Father meant it was inevitable Newcastle would sign him, even though there were better players about.

Maybe it’s his first time in an environment where he’s accountable and not entitled?

I would venture that in terms of preparation, attitude, commitment and match performance we are arguably, right now, a worse team than Wakefield last year. Although they had severe shortcomings in terms of squad quality and available recruitment level, Wakefield 2023 at least tended to show a level of fight and commitment allied to a workable game plan which attempted to make the best out of a very bad underfunded hand their coach had been dealt with. I would say it is very difficult to make that same claim for us in 2024.



What I am finding hard to comprehend however is that it is less than nine months since we beat Warrington (then still league leaders) and Saints (34-6 no less!) whilst losing narrowly to Catalans and Wigan (to a golden point) in two hard fought games. As late as last August (the Wigan game) I still harboured thoughts of possibly sneaking a play-off spot. At the very least I felt there were foundations on which to build upon for this year.



I know we have lost two or three decent players who subsequently have not been adequately replaced, but the rate at which we have been going backwards since last August has been nothing short of insane. We've gone from being a semi-decent (if not exactly spectacular) side, with some promise in there of better times to come, to being the most dis-organized rabble that any of us have ever witnessed wearing the black & white. Even the most wildly optimistic supporter (if indeed there is anyone left who fits that description!) cannot see where the next win will come from, even London away is holding trepidation for most of us.



I'm sure we've all heard the saying 'sometimes you have to go backwards in order to ultimately go forwards' but the club, and Smith specifically, is taking that maxim to almost unheard and obscene depths. None of us was expecting too much from this season but surely none of us equally could have even remotely imagined the sheer scale of ineptitude which is currently being trotted out on a weekly basis. I would surmise that Wakefield supporters last year acknowledged that their side were trying their best against at times insurmountable odds and as such at least felt some pride in what their team was trying to achieve.



When was the last time we felt any pride in our club? Far too long ago for most of our tastes I am sorry to say.

HALLELUJAH!! A fan who sees sense!! This is what im saying, isn't it a bit odd that the players who have had poor attitude seemingly on and off the pitch are getting sacked, let go etc by the club? This club is rotten and has deep rooted attitude problems that stem back to the end of the Radford era, Reynolds, Gale, Wynne, Evans, Griffin etc etc and now Hoy, i strongly believe they are getting told things they don't like hearing and wont buy into the way the club are trying to change things, and if that's the case this is the time we should all be getting behind the coaching staff and backing them getting rid of players who are stealing wages playing for our great club

Not going to lie, Tex’s dad come across as a bit thick.