Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:53 pm  

knocker norton wrote:

Going back to the 3 backrowers who are not getting first team opportunities Kent, Cunningham and Green. Does this mean both Washy and Burnett may have a future with Hull next year?

It's anyones guess, the fact that two of those players are out at other clubs might suggest Agar wants them to play at a higher level to gain experience for next season.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:02 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

It's anyones guess, the fact that two of those players are out at other clubs might suggest Agar wants them to play at a higher level to gain experience for next season.

Burnett is 1 , Who's the other ?

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:04 pm  

B0NES wrote:

Burnett is 1 , Who's the other ?

Green at Doncaster.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:06 pm  

I forgot about Adlous, he's just joined York for a month.

Some of the others might have joined him but 3 are injured.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:01 pm  

In spite of horrendous injuries in 2008 and 2009 agar still failed to introduce youngsters. We brought through more leeds youngsters than we did our own

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:14 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

In spite of horrendous injuries in 2008 and 2009 agar still failed to introduce youngsters. We brought through more leeds youngsters than we did our own

Eh?

Age Feb 2008 and Appearances 2008 & 2009:

Hall Age 19 - Appearances 36
Houghton Age 19 - Appearances 48
Burnett Age 19 - Appearances 27
Lee Age 19 - Appearances 43
Briscoe Age 17 - Appearances 26

So 180 first team appearances in those 2 years by players in their teens at the start of 2008.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:20 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Eh?

Age Feb 2008 and Appearances 2008 & 2009:

Hall Age 19 - Appearances 36
Houghton Age 19 - Appearances 48
Burnett Age 19 - Appearances 27
Lee Age 19 - Appearances 43
Briscoe Age 17 - Appearances 26

So 180 first team appearances in those 2 years by players in their teens at the start of 2008.

Disnt Hall and Lee start before that season as well.......Also,2 have left the club,1 loaned out and others are 1st team regulars....so out of the 5 mentioned..2 are regulars...not a bad ratio eh.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:27 pm  

fc baldy wrote:

Disnt Hall and Lee start before that season as well.......Also,2 have left the club,1 loaned out and others are 1st team regulars....so out of the 5 mentioned..2 are regulars...not a bad ratio eh.

They did, but the point made and to which I was replying was that in 2008 and 2009 despite injuries we didn't give young players an opportunity. These 5 were all teenagers at the start of the time period in question and played an average of 18 games a season each. So, in summary, in 2008 and 2009, plenty of opportunity was given to young players. The fact that Lee, for example, left, is irrelevant. He got lots of gametime and opportunity under Agar. Some might argue too much.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:33 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

They did, but the point made and to which I was replying was that in 2008 and 2009 despite injuries we didn't give young players an opportunity. These 5 were all teenagers at the start of the time period in question and played an average of 18 games a season each. So, in summary, in 2008 and 2009, plenty of opportunity was given to young players. The fact that Lee, for example, left, is irrelevant. He got lots of gametime and opportunity under Agar. Some might argue too much.

We only in effect,gave 3 their chance as Lee and Hall was playing in 2007 as well.Even last season,Agar was loathe to give Nicklas his chance,instead using Washbrook as a half....Agar is scared to use the kids....even against Oldham,he only used only 2 in Kent and Aldous.. and could have used more last week.We are more intrested in bringing in Loan players than promoting within.

Re: Best we can hope for is 8th : Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:42 pm  

fc baldy wrote:

We only in effect,gave 3 their chance as Lee and Hall was playing in 2007 as well.Even last season,Agar was loathe to give Nicklas his chance,instead using Washbrook as a half....Agar is scared to use the kids....even against Oldham,he only used only 2 in Kent and Aldous.. and could have used more last week.We are more intrested in bringing in Loan players than promoting within.

I don't disagree that Agar is loathe to give young players their chance last year and this at all. But effectively we had 5 players in their late teens playing most games in 2008 and 2009. I don't think Agar can reasonably be criticised for failing to give young players a chance in 2008 and 2009 when these players got 180 games between them. Just my opinion.