[Kosh]

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:48 pm  

cheekydiddles wrote:

I may have been speculating a little with the reasons but Fact is he was only offered a ONE year deal and that is the ONLY reason he has now signed for Hull...end off.

Had Saints been able/willing to offer him the two year deal do you seriously think he'd have chosen Hull over Saints....if you do...then keeping taking the tablets

Why would I give a shit?

Pretty much every player signs for the club that offers him the best deal. This is no different.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:49 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Whilst I think Long is a good buy, I find it hard to believe a club like Hull with such a vast catchment area is currently unable to promote a scrum half of some description from the juniors.

Going back a few years both Saints and Hull were talking up Scott Moore and Tommy Lee respectively as scrum halves with bright futures. Since then both have enjoyed mixed fortunes - Moore's lack of explosive pace was the reason he was moved to hooker (where he played okay-ish at Cas and better at Huddersfield). Lee's star appears to have diminished significantly to the point where he could well leave Hull.

The thing is, Saints took the hit and worked hard to produce a new crop of kids. What happened at Hull?

We have some cracking kids coming through, Burnett, Houghton and Briscoe have made the step up this season and there are others who have very promising futures too. It's just that we don't seem to be producing much in the way of halves.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:58 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

We have some cracking kids coming through, Burnett, Houghton and Briscoe have made the step up this season and there are others who have very promising futures too. It's just that we don't seem to be producing much in the way of halves.

There's producing scrum halves (competent, at the very least) and producing good/great scrum halves. A club can't count on the latter, but it should ALWAYS possess the former. If not there is something seriously wrong.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:59 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

There's producing scrum halves (competent, at the very least) and producing good/great scrum halves. A club can't count on the latter, but it should ALWAYS possess the former. If not there is something seriously wrong.

And we do have in the likes of Tommy Lee

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:02 pm  

Whiting wrote:

And we do have in the likes of Tommy Lee

I thought he'd been crucified.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:04 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I thought he'd been crucified.

Clearly

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:05 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I thought he'd been crucified.

Nah, been a bit more appreciation for him this season.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:06 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I thought he'd been crucified.

A bit like Moore has found his role at 9 now.

Washbrook is a good 13 or 6 too and is still fairly young.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:12 pm  

The Hollywood Frasier wrote:

I'm personally sick of seeing us put a wedge on out wide only for Horne or Thorman to pick the wrong pass or not take the line on themselves due to the fact they have already decided what they are going to do IMO.

As I've said on here before, Thorman virtually never makes a decision with ball in hand. Every time he gets it, he's already decided where it's going and it's noticeable that the majority of the time he hits the wrong runner, particularly on a wedge, when the other runner was obviously the right option. You can see that he just doesn't look at how the defence is lining up. Most of the time, it's not even a last minute decision for the tackler to go for the man he does, and yet Thorman still doesn't bother to wait and have a look.

: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:18 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Lee's star appears to have diminished significantly to the point where he could well leave Hull.

He's been one of our best players this year, and has done well in previous seasons. Don't let a few (a majority of?) idiot fans disguise what actually happens on the pitch.

Unfortunately, a large number expected him to come in as a 16 year old and be the best player in the team. That was obviously never going to happen and yet that is the source of the antipathy for pretty much all as far as I can tell: he didn't live up to unrealistic expectations placed upon him by those who didn't/don't have a clue.