: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:09 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Its not different versions as such, the fact is teams in SL adopt a lightening ptb and dummy half running to create tries and once that fails then we have no plan b. The moment Australia or NZ slow us down we have no creativity when faced with a set defence. Thats where dummy runners and pace into the line comes into the equation, we struggle then.

I know it happens in all sports (like in champions league games when we get comments like "he'd have got a card for that in the premier league", I just think it makes it unfair. Smith ad a rant about having Aussie refs because their interpretation of the rules are different, shouldn't happen in an ideal world/

: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:28 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Its not different versions as such, the fact is teams in SL adopt a lightening ptb and dummy half running to create tries and once that fails then we have no plan b. The moment Australia or NZ slow us down we have no creativity when faced with a set defence. Thats where dummy runners and pace into the line comes into the equation, we struggle then.

Exactly. Its all down to interpretations of 'the basics'.

In the NRL the basics are about ball movement and creating overlaps and gaps. Its why so often top Aussies that come over here are able to move to half back from other positions and adapt so well.

In the Super League the basics are more around the play the ball and possession.

: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:21 pm  

KNOCK OFF NIGEL wrote:

Exactly. Its all down to interpretations of 'the basics'.

In the NRL the basics are about ball movement and creating overlaps and gaps. Its why so often top Aussies that come over here are able to move to half back from other positions and adapt so well.

In the Super League the basics are more around the play the ball and possession.

Yep, the aussies do the basics as well as you possibly can and thats what wins them games. RL is pretty simple really. They kick and chase well. They are disciplined in defence and move up in one line. They work the ball forward with the big men and they have deep attacking lines and hit the ball at pace and always support the ball carrier.

The make other teams work out of their own half and as the pressure builds they make mistakes, then the green and golds take advantage.

: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:02 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Yep, the aussies do the basics as well as you possibly can and thats what wins them games. RL is pretty simple really. They kick and chase well. They are disciplined in defence and move up in one line. They work the ball forward with the big men and they have deep attacking lines and hit the ball at pace and always support the ball carrier.

The make other teams work out of their own half and as the pressure builds they make mistakes, then the green and golds take advantage.

Even their Second Rows know how to move the opposition defence about to create gaps and overlaps.

The last British backrower that had that skill was moved to Stand Off for GB (Sculthorpe)

: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:27 am  

Well if we dont kick to Gardner im going to support Rovers.

The guys awful, as was Wellens.

Thought McGuire played well.

: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:41 am  

Superbowl Scott wrote:

Well if we dont kick to Gardner im going to support Rovers.

The guys awful, as was Wellens.

Thought McGuire played well.

Appalling performance, one or two can hold their heads high, but the others in shame, not willing to put bodies on line when needed, passing was awful to say the least, kicking game well and truly sh@te, appeared to be no plan, but hey everything will be ok when SL comes around, our so called best will be world beaters again, 'we're getting close to the aussies' comments again by Clarke, Stevo and Eddie, until we rid ourselves of the average overpaid overseas players and coaches and start developing our own youngsters then we'll stay way behind. Its not like we've only lost one game, we've lost 3 out of 4, really really pis*ed off.

: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:47 am  

Yes, we did have a poor overall World Cup, and players such as Wellens, Gardner, Burrow and Wilkin did have awful performances.

However I cant put all of the fault on the players who didnt perform well enough. Eddie and Stevo cream over any potential England player during the Super League season, and they make them out to be 'world class' which in turn lights the expectations of us, the English fans.

In fact, we were battered around the park by much better players from Australia and New Zealand and a lot of fans are dissapointed.

Eddie and Stevo, as the numpties that they are made out that our players were 'world class' and 'larger then life' and the truth hurts!

We are crap, but we just never realised it until the World Cup actually took place!

: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:48 am  

Shocking that our game has gone backwards despite record levels of money being pumped in. We have no world class players in the England team and most seem to have a lack of basic skills such as passing and positional play. How can the Australian system be so much better at producing skillful players?

: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:51 am  

In my opinion most of the Saints players have been poor throughout the world cup

: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:13 pm  

Nemesis FC wrote:

Yes, we did have a poor overall World Cup, and players such as Wellens, Gardner, Burrow and Wilkin did have awful performances.

However I cant put all of the fault on the players who didnt perform well enough. Eddie and Stevo cream over any potential England player during the Super League season, and they make them out to be 'world class' which in turn lights the expectations of us, the English fans.

In fact, we were battered around the park by much better players from Australia and New Zealand and a lot of fans are dissapointed.

Eddie and Stevo, as the numpties that they are made out that our players were 'world class' and 'larger then life' and the truth hurts!

We are crap, but we just never realised it until the World Cup actually took place!

Thats Sky Sports for you they gloss over any sport they have on and hype it up way to much.Glad ive got rid of it