FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Major talking points
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner10000No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 03 200421 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Dec 20 08:087th Nov 20 13:24LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull
Signature
Image

Re: Major talking points : Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:49 pm  
Kosh wrote:
In a sliding tackle the tackle is not counted as complete until the slide stops. He stretched out before the slide stops.

He wasn't sliding. He was rolling. His momentum took him into a roll. His momentum did not stretch his arm over the line. That is the second movement. If he had fallen over the line, fair play. But he didn't.

It's exactly the same as if he'd have landed on his front and was bouncing forward. He he bounces over the line, fair play. But if he outstretches his arm after the bounce (even if he's bouncing forward) it's a second movement.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2255No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 27 200816 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Aug 16 21:0530th Mar 16 22:07LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Always to the left!
Signature
EL CAMO wrote:
The majority of fans at Craven Park...are idiots who know nothing about the game.

Re: Major talking points : Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:52 pm  
Wigg'n wrote:
Grow up, díckhead.


Ooooooohhh touchy.... Did I hit a nerve?? :SUBMISSION:
Kosh 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator36786
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 31 200321 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
3rd Aug 24 20:266th May 23 08:43LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Leafy Worcester, home of the Black Pear
Signature
Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One
Moderator

Re: Major talking points : Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:53 pm  
Wellsy13 wrote:
He wasn't sliding. He was rolling. His momentum took him into a roll. His momentum did not stretch his arm over the line. That is the second movement. If he had fallen over the line, fair play. But he didn't.

It's exactly the same as if he'd have landed on his front and was bouncing forward. He he bounces over the line, fair play. But if he outstretches his arm after the bounce (even if he's bouncing forward) it's a second movement.

He was sliding on my telly.

And I've seen a try given in identical circumstances to your second example.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner22194
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 25 200321 years3rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 21:4921st Nov 24 18:33LINK
Milestone Posts
20000
25000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Major talking points : Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:54 pm  
RE: Tomkins first effort, I thought it was a try last night and having watched it back on TV I still do.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner10000No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 03 200421 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Dec 20 08:087th Nov 20 13:24LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull
Signature
Image

Re: Major talking points : Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:22 pm  
Kosh wrote:
He was sliding on my telly.

And I've seen a try given in identical circumstances to your second example.

He rolled on mine.
And if you've seen them given in the second example, they were also wrong. I've seen them chalked off in both instances. So I guess it begs the question of where's the consistency?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner10000No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 03 200421 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Dec 20 08:087th Nov 20 13:24LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull
Signature
Image

Re: Major talking points : Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:48 am  
For the record, someone found this description on the VT:

"For the novice rugby league audience, the double movement rule is enforced when an attacking player is tackled short of the tryline, than advances the ball over the tryline to claim a try. If the arm carrying the ball touches the ground, and is than advanced forward again, than the referee must rule it no try, and award a penalty to the defending side.

A player is allowed to be tackled short of the tryline, and slide with the ball over the line, but if the attacking players arm is raised off the ground and advanced forward, than it is deemed a double movement. "

Can't be doubted that Tomkins raises his arm off the ground and advances it after it was grounded (that second movement I've been talking about). Therefore double movement.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman30345
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 22 200718 years35th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 22:5221st Nov 24 08:06LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
The poor man's bonaire

Re: Major talking points : Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:59 am  
I've not bothered watching it back but if tomkins ball carrying arm touched the floor then I fail to see how he can pick it up and put the ball down on the other side of his body. Say, for instance, it was 5m before the line and tomkins arm had touched the floor and he'd then passed to a team mate who had scored, it would have been deemed a pass after the tackle had been completed.

Typical of the inconsistencies we continually see
RankPostsTeam
International Star112No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 25 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
2nd Sep 11 18:202nd Sep 11 18:20LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Major talking points : Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:09 am  
The only thing that stopped us winning last night was the inability to score. We never seemed to have trouble stopping their attacks, 3 of their tries were handed to them, 1 was a sensational individual effort and the other was from a kick.

All we needed was some decent attacking moves down their end, instead of trying to rely on Manu, Yeaman and Briscoe individual efforts.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner10000No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 03 200421 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Dec 20 08:087th Nov 20 13:24LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull
Signature
Image

Re: Major talking points : Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:21 am  
wefewee! wrote:
The only thing that stopped us winning last night was the inability to score. We never seemed to have trouble stopping their attacks, 3 of their tries were handed to them, 1 was a sensational individual effort and the other was from a kick.

All we needed was some decent attacking moves down their end, instead of trying to rely on Manu, Yeaman and Briscoe individual efforts.

Totally agree.
(I'm not saying we lost because of the referee, I just hate poor decisions, especially by the VR!)

Look at our attack. It's either a pop from the DH, face ball, or pop and drop. That literally is the extent of our play. Occasionally we'll move the ball wide to Manu/Yeaman/Briscoe to do something individual (and I stress that word). if Manu bursts his way through, it's not good team work. It's exploiting one man's good work.

Look at Wigan, who by any stretch weren't that good on Friday. They Often do two wedge balls straight off the ruck, so that's two dummy runners going through (who not only lock up some defenders, but we noticed actually obstruct them sliding, but that's another story!), then may pass a third one on the end. That's why they can pass it out wide so quickly, and that's why they always seem to find overlaps. There moves demand defenders make decisions all the time (often the wrong ones) whereas ours don't. It's not that our players can't physically do it, they just don't know how. They aren't getting taught good tactics, and until they are we will always be this boring (but strong) team with a few decent individuals in.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman30345
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 22 200718 years35th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 22:5221st Nov 24 08:06LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
The poor man's bonaire

Re: Major talking points : Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:25 am  
How many times on Friday did someone take the ball to the line and turn to offload only to find no one in support?
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Freddie Miller., Greavsie, hullandbroncos, Jake the Peg, Marcus's Bicycle, mwindass, RockNRolla, Yippee try yay and 280 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Hull FC


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
2025 KIT Thread
CM Punk
4
11m
New Players
jbuzza
139
18m
Accounts
Ckt2487
134
49m
How many games will we win
Kirmudgeonly
8
57m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40737
59m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63226
60m
Film game
Boss Hog
5644
Recent
2024
imwakefieldt
6
Recent
Salford
TF and the w
13
Recent
2025 Recruitment
dddooommm
199
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Accounts
Ckt2487
134
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63226
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40737
1m
2025 KIT Thread
CM Punk
4
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
5644
2m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
2m
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
3m
Planning for next season
Leyther in n
178
3m
Shopping list for 2025
mwindass
5578
3m
New Players
jbuzza
139
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
imwakefieldt
6
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Kirmudgeonly
8
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
TF and the w
13
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Trin e ti
21
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
545
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
537
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1279
England's Women Demolish The W..
1107
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1349
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1136
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1405
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1939
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2153
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2395
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1963
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2201
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2666
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2097
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2170
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
2025 KIT Thread
CM Punk
4
11m
New Players
jbuzza
139
18m
Accounts
Ckt2487
134
49m
How many games will we win
Kirmudgeonly
8
57m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40737
59m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63226
60m
Film game
Boss Hog
5644
Recent
2024
imwakefieldt
6
Recent
Salford
TF and the w
13
Recent
2025 Recruitment
dddooommm
199
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Accounts
Ckt2487
134
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63226
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40737
1m
2025 KIT Thread
CM Punk
4
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
5644
2m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
2m
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
3m
Planning for next season
Leyther in n
178
3m
Shopping list for 2025
mwindass
5578
3m
New Players
jbuzza
139
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
imwakefieldt
6
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Kirmudgeonly
8
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
TF and the w
13
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Trin e ti
21
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
545
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
537
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1279
England's Women Demolish The W..
1107
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1349
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1136
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1405
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1939
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2153
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2395
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1963
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2201
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2666
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2097
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2170


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!