Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:35 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

sneyd's kicking wasn't great but he was put under a lot of pressure by warrington, something we failed to do with austin which is either a tactical error or players not following the coach's instructions. He was also invariably kicking from inside his own half because our backs were ineffective at gaining good ground out of our 20 and we didn't have enough size in the forwards to dominate the opposition. I started watching the game back today and the speed of their play the ball compared to ours was massively quicker as they were completely dominating the ruck.

We really should have won that game if we'd played anywhere near our potential but poor ball control and poor kicking put us under consistent pressure and didn't really give us a chance. The team who controlled the ball better yesterday were always likely to win and wire did that by some margin

As you say Sneyd was kicking a lot from inside our own half due to our lack of yardage in possession but i wouldnt say he was kicking under pressure.
My criticism of Sneyds kicking on the day was he just kicked it straight into the arms of a Warrington player.
It was raining and the pitch was wet he should have been varying his kicks and using the wet pitch to kick low and hard giving the receiver something to think about when attempting to recover a wet ball from the grass, instead it was just a simple catch under no pressure as we didnt have a kick chase,
He did the same from the kick offs after their first two tries.An easy kick into their 20 instead of hard low kick across the wet turf.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:47 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

That's sort of what I'm saying Jake. I'm explaining how I see things. Relentless negativity to me is harmful to the club's interests just as the other side see my positivity/pragmatism as holding the club back.

Mrs B
You really dont have to explain yourself on here.
You are making yourself look a lonely and sad individual
Get off the forum and enjoy your holiday

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:49 pm  

If our pack had performed a bit better in attack and made more yards then our kicking would have been more effective but we did the best we could under the circumstances. Wires line speed was excellent too. Hopefully next season the pack will be stronger

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:20 pm  

Just realised this has been highlighted by jake and Bonaire but much more detail! Apologies.

It was a cracking match though best bit of RL I watched in a while and congrats wire getting to the final

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:11 am  

Armavinit wrote:

Wish my dad had had the dosh to send me to uni.

Didn't need any parental support for my university and post graduate education in England. It was all free! How was that allowed to change?

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:41 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

I see you've already been corrected. I don't expect an acknowledgement, but it's good that others have pointed this out.

Perhaps we just accept that we have a different lens on the club and our outlook in supporting it?

I choose to invest a fair bit of time and effort in supporting and following the club. My choice. I choose to enjoy the journey, accept it will have ups and downs, accept there are things I can't change, accept that we have fewer resources than Warrington, Saints, Leeds, Wigan. I seek out the positives where I can and like to draw broader context where I believe it's relevant. Being a supporter of the club for me is not simply creating the goal of grand final or bust and being negative about anything and everything that doesn't align with that. It's about savouring moments on the way, such as Ratu's length of the field efforts, Sneyd's golden points, the double over Leeds. Otherwise, what's the point? It doesn't mean I don't hope for trophies, of course I do. It means being realistic, pragmatic and supportive of what the club is trying to achieve, including the coaching staff. All of the above is my choice about how I want to feel about supporting Hull FC. And it's been pretty consistent over the last 30 odd years in eras covering the lower tier, Tony Gordon, Richard Agar, David Lloyd and so on.

Your interpretation of the above is to criticise the outlook as acceptance of mediocrity and therefore a betrayal of the club's best interests. Fair enough - it's your choice to see it like that. There are plenty on here who probably spend the same time and effort, undoubtedly many far more so than I do, who choose to view my attitude and others' in this way. Your choice. Positivity and appreciation are seen as indicators of nausea-inducing weakness. Only those who call out their continued dissatisfaction geniunely want the best for the club, and improvement can only be made by listing areas of deficiency, whether or not their elimination can realistically be delivered.

Here's the rub. For all the energy you are choosing to invest in trying to argue with me, discredit me, belittle me for my attitude in enjoying supporting the club for what it is rather than singularly what trophies it wins, you can't change me. Expect the worst, hope for the best, take victories with happiness, and defeats with dignity and empathy, and turn up again next week regardless - that's the aim. This doesn't mean I don't disagree with some of the club's actions - I'm still not over getting rid of Liam Watts for example. But when I consider the negativity quotient on here disconnected with the club's position I will call it out and counter it. I think I am OK to do so, regardless of whether you do.

In respect of the insinuation that I have multiple accounts on here to in some way fabricate a body of supporting opinion, and that I am making up posts on Twitter, I think we both know that neither of these are true. I would recommend taking a breath. Perhaps we can reconcile our differences a little and be more mutually respectful. I'm pretty sure most on here are jaded with the constant sparring.

Superb

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:15 am  

bonaire wrote:

Mrs B
You really dont have to explain yourself on here.
You are making yourself look a lonely and sad individual
Get off the forum and enjoy your holiday

And the same could be said about you.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:37 am  

Hessle Roader wrote:

And the same could be said about you.

Let him carry on digging.
Ifs pretty obvious there could only be one winner, and it wont be him.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:08 am  

bonaire wrote:

Mrs B
You really dont have to explain yourself on here.
You are making yourself look a lonely and sad individual
Get off the forum and enjoy your holiday

Have to say I don’t think Mrs B is coming across lonely and sad at all.
Really not comfy with some of the personal comments on here.

Can’t we just debate our team with our own personal views and not persist in getting into crossfire and sometimes the drawn out Tit for tat ? Which is becoming tedious at best.
It’s hardly going change someone’s opinion, and I like reading how other co fans see the game and read the game.
No one should be shot down for a belief about the game or our team, even if we disagree.
Would be good if some on here could bury the hatchets and just make this a good place to air OUR VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS on the club we love.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi Final : Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:13 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

That's sort of what I'm saying Jake. I'm explaining how I see things. Relentless negativity to me is harmful to the club's interests just as the other side see my positivity/pragmatism as holding the club back.

Nothing on here is harmless to anything other than the mental health of some seemingly fragile individuals. I've said before that some people on here take it far too seriously