Re: Denis Betts : Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:17 pm  

Lets hope we can build on this, a good performance tends to followed by an atrocious one in the next game. I hope they prove me wrong on Friday.

Also thought Haggerty had his best game for us on Saturday!

Re: Denis Betts : Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:56 pm  

Paddy_88 wrote:

Lets hope we can build on this, a good performance tends to followed by an atrocious one in the next game. I hope they prove me wrong on Friday.

Also thought Haggerty had his best game for us on Saturday!

I wouldn't count on it , Paddy.

Saints are going to be smarting after that. Friday could be a thrashing. I doubt they'll be resting players this time.

Re: Denis Betts : Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:04 pm  

Pepe wrote:

I wouldn't count on it , Paddy.

Saints are going to be smarting after that. Friday could be a thrashing. I doubt they'll be resting players this time.

I know, I'm just far too optimistic for my own good. If Roby plays then it will be thrashing, couldn't handle him on Saturday.

Re: Denis Betts : Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:43 pm  

Paddy_88 wrote:

I know, I'm just far too optimistic for my own good. If Roby plays then it will be thrashing, couldn't handle him on Saturday.

Spot on about Roby.

The way to stop him is to get off our arses after the tackle and get two markers at the PTB as quickly as possible. Too many times our last man off the tackle was still on his arris leaving Roby one side of the ruck to run at. Manna from heaven to him.

Re: Denis Betts : Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:12 pm  

Just stick me in at hooker ill smash Roby onto his booty in the first minute then shout 'BOOM! Plenty more of that for ya BITCH!' in his face, before turning to lomax and saying (whilst laughing maniacally) 'i see you again today, I will literally tear you a second booty'. That'll take care of the threat

Re: Denis Betts : Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:58 am  

Snake Plisskin wrote:

Just stick me in at hooker ill smash Roby onto his booty in the first minute then shout 'BOOM! Plenty more of that for ya BITCH!' in his face, before turning to lomax and saying (whilst laughing maniacally) 'i see you again today, I will literally tear you a second booty'. That'll take care of the threat

Re: Denis Betts : Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:46 pm  

Betts' problem is that he over respects SL oppostion as if Widnes should feel priveliged to share the same pitch.He puts the whole competition on a pedastal and compares ourselves as boys playing against men,all the time lowering expectations and convincing fans we are lucky to be where we are because last year we were playing Batley,which in turn buys himself more time because at the end of the day Widnes are shat and we know we are and don't have a hope in hell of competing yet.Stuff that,it's just a game of RL.Fair enough,a team such as ours will cop a few hidings during the season but FFS not conceding nearly 40 per game every game.Could and should be doing better.

Re: Denis Betts : Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:59 pm  

Pepe wrote:

I wouldn't count on it , Paddy.

Saints are going to be smarting after that. Friday could be a thrashing. I doubt they'll be resting players this time.

I don't want to be too down on the performance but we're kidding ourselves if we don't think Saints took their foot off the gas. They've only conceded 38 points one other time in the last 2 years and I suspect they didn't on Saturday because of Widnes's irresistible attack.

They'll no doubt tighten things up and aren't likely to take their feet off the gas again. If we could keep them to maybe 25-30 points then this would probably represent improvement.

I just hope we don't get a thrashing again because if we do, it almost certainly means that nothing had really changed on Saturday except for Saints not treating us with respect like Wigan didn't.

Re: Denis Betts : Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:11 pm  

GSF wrote:

Betts' problem is that he over respects SL oppostion as if Widnes should feel priveliged to share the same pitch.He puts the whole competition on a pedastal and compares ourselves as boys playing against men,all the time lowering expectations and convincing fans we are lucky to be where we are because last year we were playing Batley,which in turn buys himself more time because at the end of the day Widnes are shat and we know we are and don't have a hope in hell of competing yet.Stuff that,it's just a game of RL.Fair enough,a team such as ours will cop a few hidings during the season but FFS not conceding nearly 40 per game every game.Could and should be doing better.

I agree with this. This is one of my big problems with how it has gone this year. They have made out like Super League is this standard of competition that we could never have hoped to compete with in just one year.

If they were talking about the NRL then I'd agree but we're not. Featherstone were a good example of a team that just went for it rather than being in awe of their opposition who were clearly better conditioned than they were. They outdid them in enthusiasm and effort, something many of us expected this year. Personally, I expected a low quality but high effort side this year.

I actually feel a bit sorry for Betts and think that the blame should lie as much with SOC as him. As pointed out earlier in the thread, we have had our problems with injuries. However, Betts was such an unpopular choice that many fans aren't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this when a more experienced coach might get this. It is hard to accept from an inexperienced coach that the players he recruited were the best we could have done or that our problems are purely down to injuries.

A coach with a proven record gets the benefit of the doubt. However with Betts he has no record to show that these are not just excuses for his poor performance. I personally think regardless of injuries, there is enough evidence that Betts is one of the big problems.

Re: Denis Betts : Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:58 am  

Pepe wrote:

I wouldn't count on it , Paddy.

Saints are going to be smarting after that. Friday could be a thrashing. I doubt they'll be resting players this time.

Spot on weren't you Pepe. All optimism for this season has pretty much vanished.