Re: Mondays meeting : Sat May 05, 2012 11:34 am  

Been Thinking about this one ! so SOC is basically saying hes walked away from other buisness then thats not been a sucess then ! well what if his Transport Buisness was going down the pan hes basically saying hell support his managers and not axe them but go down with them and walk away just like that !Sorry why not Just Say it that Widnes vikings been a bad investment then ! But if you walk the walk remember you Employed these Employees and the Book stops with YOU not the supporters !

Re: Mondays meeting : Sat May 05, 2012 1:12 pm  

''It was stated that the reason we are in this position is because of the standard of squad we have managed to assemble. basically picking up players other teams dont want and taking a chance on others with a past history or injuries.''


That would explain why we only have two wins so far.What it doesn't explain though is the margin of the defeats.They are professional RL players,many with lots of experience in SL,some with NRL experience too.I don't believe they cannot master a basic of the game such as tackling.The problem I believe is the structure and organisation of the defence as a whole unit,not the individuals ability in this area.

Re: Mondays meeting : Sat May 05, 2012 1:21 pm  

GSF wrote:

''It was stated that the reason we are in this position is because of the standard of squad we have managed to assemble. basically picking up players other teams dont want and taking a chance on others with a past history or injuries.''


That would explain why we only have two wins so far.What it doesn't explain though is the margin of the defeats.They are professional RL players,many with lots of experience in SL,some with NRL experience too.I don't believe they cannot master a basic of the game such as tackling.The problem I believe is the structure and organisation of the defence as a whole unit,not the individuals ability in this area.

Spot on, Chief!

Re: Mondays meeting : Tue May 08, 2012 11:38 am  

Cripesginger wrote:

Agents can speak to their players at any time. It is neither disgraceful nor against the 'laws of the sport' . Agents can speak to clubs whenever they like. clubs can say to an agent that when player X is out of contract they would be interested. If the player is good then several clubs will say it. No 'laws of the sport' broken.

I think you will find that simply isn't the case and complete bullshit is being spouted here.

A players representative is not permitted to speak about any matters concerning his player to any other club unless permitted to do so by the club he is currently under contract with. Regardless of whether it is the player's agent or the player themselves that do this before that permission is given or the free-agent deadline passes this constitutes tapping up for which there are severe penalties including fines.
Even an indirect inducement through the media can be construed as 'tapping up'. So all this... so and so can speak to so and so nonsense is complete bullshit. If Widnes have not given their permission then they have a right to seek compensation. Compensation is due anyhow due to the age of the player.

Re: Mondays meeting : Tue May 08, 2012 10:47 pm  

Dr Chim Richalds wrote:

I think you will find that simply isn't the case and complete bullshit is being spouted here.

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Afraid it is the case. The agent as a rep of the player can indicate the duration of a contract. and a club can say they would be interested in players when their contract expires. Unless there is a clause in the contract to the contrary then players , like many people, are free to tell others what they earn. Deny it as much as you like.

If Cullen and Betts do not know who is OOC in 2013 Widnes are pretty well doomed.

Re: Mondays meeting : Wed May 09, 2012 11:51 am  

Cripesginger wrote:

and a club can say they would be interested in players when their contract expires.

Oh my god!!!! you genuinely believe this!!! That is too funny!!!!

Whilst a player remains under contract with a club even when they are in the last year of their contract unless given specific permission by the players current club the players representative has absolutely no rights to discuss any matters concerning a player. Now between clubs, there might be dialogue about which players are out of contract at the end of the season. Leeds gave us permission to speak to a couple last March / April and we could then approach those player's agents but under no other circumstances should a club be approaching players or their agents directly ahead of the deadline.
If a player and their club agree to publicising the length of a contract then fine, but even under those circumstances any club approaching Mull or his agent now to indicate their interest without the clubs permission would be 'tapping up'. That is the way of it.

Deny it as much as you like.

I'll deny it, because you have made this up and are talking absolute bullshit!! Tell me who is doing this now? We'll let the RFL know and see what they have to say on the matter. Come on, if you know Hudds have approached Mulls agent now without permission from Widnes tell us, let's drop the RFL an email.. if you are right, nothing happens? What do you say over there in the land of made up rules!!

Re: Mondays meeting : Wed May 09, 2012 2:04 pm  

I would say that Willie Manu has been tapped up