Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:04 pm  

That first half is inexusable. I don't care how many injuries we've got, you want the players out there to make the effort and not let players waltz through them.

And the worst part is, that fightback will make the players think they've done enough to make up for it all. No. I want an absolute leathering of someone. Losing to Toulouse is not good enough no matter how much we've scored in the second half. That was not good enough. We only had Lee Doran and Thackery making the effort. Whatever the reason for our performance, be it under preperation, be it not having a great start, draw a line under it and improve.

I am so disappointed. We've got a lot of work to do this week.

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:10 pm  

Welcome to my World

Frustrating isn't the word is it?

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:12 pm  

Chris, I dont think there is a lack of effort in defence. Lack of cohesion and structure - Yes.

We are just undone far too easily on our own line and even more so by kicks over the top or through. In some ways though that is Cull's style. Score more than the opposition and he will live by that.

The fightback would probably have covered over things until next week like the Dewsbury result did.

The truth is that at the moment we cant cope with the injuries and we dont have the cover or depth in the squad to cover some key injuries nor even interchanges at the moment.

The halves is becoming a key area for us because Thacks is good but he cant do it all alone. Im not having a dig at Chris Gerrard who I think has done reasonably well fitting into an unfamiliar position but we need Webbo back A.S.A.P .

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm  

Tough month ahead too in the Championship..............................

Sun 25 Apr
Batley Bulldogs V Widnes Vikings

Fri 30 Apr
Widnes Vikings V Featherstone Rovers

Thu 6 May
Barrow Raiders V Widnes Vikings

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:35 pm  

Agree with the comments about teams finding it too easy to score near our line. I do think thought, that that 17 was more than equipped to beat Toulouse. Was surprised Cull took Doran (who is our leading defender) off after only 20 minutes when it was 12-12. It was 12-30 when he came back on. Too much turnstile defending and shoulder grabbing.

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:31 am  

widneslardboy wrote:

Chris, I dont think there is a lack of effort in defence. Lack of cohesion and structure - Yes.

We are just undone far too easily on our own line and even more so by kicks over the top or through. In some ways though that is Cull's style. Score more than the opposition and he will live by that.

The fightback would probably have covered over things until next week like the Dewsbury result did.

The truth is that at the moment we cant cope with the injuries and we dont have the cover or depth in the squad to cover some key injuries nor even interchanges at the moment.

The halves is becoming a key area for us because Thacks is good but he cant do it all alone. Im not having a dig at Chris Gerrard who I think has done reasonably well fitting into an unfamiliar position but we need Webbo back A.S.A.P .

Problem is though that we've probably only got Webbo and Ford to come back soon. Gaskell is at least a month away, Allen 6 weeks at the last count and Pickersgill and Haggerty long term. Webbo should help the organisation, but I just can't see either player making that much difference. Says it all really that James 1st run and he got smashed. Gannon got smashed quite a few times and pretty much all of the forwards struggled at times. I know we can't just keep going out and sign forward after forward but it appears to me that unless a couple of new players, plus getting a couple back from injury I can't see us going anywhere this season. IMO we have too many players who just aren't good enough. Age is one thing but I get the feeling with a few of ours that even if they were 3 or 4 years older they still wouldn't be good enough.

Not sure how much of our form and poor defence comes from the coach though. Even if we did have everyone back, would we defend any better? Ironic reallly that PC analyses every SL game every week and tells the viewers and I suppose the coaches who watch the show where they are going wrong, but yet can't seem to get it right himself.

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:42 am  

You need to blame Cullen and O'Connor if your "squad" is not up to scratch.

You assemble one at he beginning of the season to cope with the injuries that may be thrown at you during the course of the season.

We had our problems early doors and came through relatively unscathed. Why? Because our coach and Chairman had assembled a "squad" to cope with the season ahead.

At the moment we are fortunate to have just one player unavalable but 4 weeks ago this was not the case but we came through it with just one defeat at York and a draw at home to Barrow.

Cullen and O'Connor maybe talk the talk, however do they walk the walk????

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:00 am  

littlerich wrote:

Tough month ahead too in the Championship..............................

Sun 25 Apr
Batley Bulldogs V Widnes Vikings

Fri 30 Apr
Widnes Vikings V Featherstone Rovers

Thu 6 May
Barrow Raiders V Widnes Vikings

Maybe if win these games the mood will change again. I know alot of doom here but if we can get players fired up and motivated we have the ability.Time to improve defence for the next few games.All about attitude.

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:11 am  

Our defence was a real worry last night every time the Ausise Frogs got anywhere near our 25 they scored with ease.
I was surprised when the Aussie Frogs came onto the pitch how much bigger and athletic they seemed than us, they looked like a SL side.
I would honestly say that was probably the most professional performance I have seen from a team in this division this season.

Re: Worst defensive effort I've seen in years. : Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:00 pm  

The Attitude of the Widnes players stank in the first half last night, Toulouse ran harder and tackled stronger and we were pathetic in every area. The comeback in the second half was noted but it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Not good enough.