I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:14 pm  

All a mistake So first we have the guy funding the Quins saying that he cannot afford to continue funding them casting doubt over their future... demanding a meeting with the RFL... meeting held and he's happy to continue now for the next couple of years..... oh.. but no financial assistance is being given by the RFL he hastens to add. Now the Crusaders get in a pickle about things... comments from officials at the club saying that things are looking bleak and the statements over the next couple of days getting progressively worse. Then... HMRC are dropping everything... Now I don't mind too much if the RFL are bailing this team out but the secrecy around these things is astounding. If Wakey or Cas drop next year I would be demanding to have some questions answered.

All a mistake So first we have the guy funding the Quins saying that he cannot afford to continue funding them casting doubt over their future... demanding a meeting with the RFL... meeting held and he's happy to continue now for the next couple of years..... oh.. but no financial assistance is being given by the RFL he hastens to add. Now the Crusaders get in a pickle about things... comments from officials at the club saying that things are looking bleak and the statements over the next couple of days getting progressively worse. Then... HMRC are dropping everything... Now I don't mind too much if the RFL are bailing this team out but the secrecy around these things is astounding. If Wakey or Cas drop next year I would be demanding to have some questions answered.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:24 pm  

You try not to be cynical but it's hard not to be! People always say 'show us proof of funds being put in'. But tbh what more do you need?

Both Quins & Crusaders made statements in which neither guranteed 100% RL would be played their nexty season (what other clubs have to justify this year on year?). Yet then the 'RFL task force' arrives and bingo problems solved... unless they employ Merlin the magician or some superstar legal expert then how is it not finance related?

HMRC always state that a winding up order is the LAST alternative they go to. So your not telling me that Crusaders just forgot they'd paid this money as did HMRC and only remembered last min. Surely on their first notice a quick look over the accounts could of solved that? I know HMRC aint the best whatsoever but to take it this far they must of had something to go on.

It all just goes so secretive whenever these issues occur but RFL turn up all fine and people will still say they didn't bail them out, what did they do then? Do these clubs not employ people to review their own accounts?

I wish they'd just be honest and come out with it all so we could just move on then.

P.s. Crusaders have already field for a new company's name under W Crusaders LTD so something is changing!

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:48 pm  

J20 wrote:

You try not to be cynical but it's hard not to be! People always say 'show us proof of funds being put in'. But tbh what more do you need?

Both Quins & Crusaders made statements in which neither guranteed 100% RL would be played their nexty season (what other clubs have to justify this year on year?). Yet then the 'RFL task force' arrives and bingo problems solved... unless they employ Merlin the magician or some superstar legal expert then how is it not finance related?

HMRC always state that a winding up order is the LAST alternative they go to. So your not telling me that Crusaders just forgot they'd paid this money as did HMRC and only remembered last min. Surely on their first notice a quick look over the accounts could of solved that? I know HMRC aint the best whatsoever but to take it this far they must of had something to go on.

It all just goes so secretive whenever these issues occur but RFL turn up all fine and people will still say they didn't bail them out, what did they do then? Do these clubs not employ people to review their own accounts?

I wish they'd just be honest and come out with it all so we could just move on then.

P.s. Crusaders have already field for a new company's name under W Crusaders LTD so something is changing!

HMRC only put on for the Winding up order on the 28th of october, so in 7 days its all been resolved, Total crock of horse manure.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:17 pm  

From Wales Online A spokesman for the Rugby Football League yesterday confirmed they were in talks with the Crusaders and vowed to shed more light on the situation later this week. Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/rug ... z14Pu9y1pu Ian Roberts in the Daily Post “We’re still hopeful of playing rugby here next season and are negotiating with the Rugby Football League. “We are trying our best, it’s a very, very difficult business to be involved in, especially in the current climate.” http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-w ... -27597463/ Crusaders chairman: "We have paid what we owe" http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/95238/ ... -owe-.aspx

From Wales Online A spokesman for the Rugby Football League yesterday confirmed they were in talks with the Crusaders and vowed to shed more light on the situation later this week. Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/rug ... z14Pu9y1pu Ian Roberts in the Daily Post “We’re still hopeful of playing rugby here next season and are negotiating with the Rugby Football League. “We are trying our best, it’s a very, very difficult business to be involved in, especially in the current climate.” http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-w ... -27597463/ Crusaders chairman: "We have paid what we owe" http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/95238/ ... -owe-.aspx

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:49 pm  

McDermott on Sky Sports
"David Hughes is top drawer and without qualms, or fuss or whinging he has divvied up an incredible amount of money, almost soccer-style money to keep this club afloat...He can't continue to do that and nor should he, and that is why I fear for this club. I have a concern and I hope the people who make decisions at the top end make some correct ones."

Ian Ramsdale BBC London RL Reporter
Harlequins have asked the Rugby Football League to help ensure the club's future, BBC London understands.
"I understand the club have been talking to the governing body for some time now, about overcoming some of the costs and difficulties of developing the game in the south.

BBC Sport
Investor takes control to secure future of Harlequins
Chairman David Hughes has dispelled doubts over Harlequins' future by pledging to back the club until at least the end of 2014.
Hughes will increase his 35% stake in Quins and says they have no financial worries despite recent high-profile talks with the Rugby Football League.
"I want to make it crystal clear that discussions with the RFL have not been around financial support," he said.
"I can categorically state we did not ask for, or receive, a financial bail."

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:43 pm  

You're so right. The corrupt HMRC are in the pocket of the RFL's Mr Big Richard Lewis. It's a conspiracy I tell thee

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:07 pm  

To be honest they could try for the next 100 yrs and the game will not expand.Union and football will never die.I prefer see teams like Fax etc in Superleague or Barrow where they play in schools and local teams.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:27 am  

OFFTHECUFF wrote:

To be honest they could try for the next 100 yrs and the game will not expand.Union and football will never die.I prefer see teams like Fax etc in Superleague or Barrow where they play in schools and local teams.

I disagree completly.
Football will implode sooner or later it has to it cannot keep going in it's current state.
Millionares/Billionares will find a new playthings and even if they dont no one can tell me that the currect wages are in anyway sustainable.
That sport has HUGE problems and when it finally goes BANG which it will it will be a BIG BANG.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:36 am  

Having read the article .. It sounds like a genuine "miss understanding/miss comunication..

Time 4 everyone to take a chill pill...

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:20 pm  

Roverswall wrote:

I disagree completly.
Football will implode sooner or later it has to it cannot keep going in it's current state.
Millionares/Billionares will find a new playthings and even if they dont no one can tell me that the currect wages are in anyway sustainable.
That sport has HUGE problems and when it finally goes BANG which it will it will be a BIG BANG.

I want what you are drinking.