Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 8:09 am  

I was present at the meeting on Monday along with 3 other supporters after an invite from Brian O'Connor. Julie Gaskell, SOC, BOC, Dennis Betts and Paul Cullen were also present. The meeting lasted about 2 and a half hours.
I will try and give a brief summary of what was said, I did not take any notes.
It started with a discussion of the teams poor performance and eventually came to the point of blaming the coaching set up. SOC was not happy with the criticism and some abuse dennis has received. It was stated that the reason we are in this position is because of the standard of squad we have managed to assemble. basically picking up players other teams dont want and taking a chance on others with a past history or injuries.
SOC stated that they had budgeted for 7000 members and we only have 4000 leaving a financial shortfall of which he has put in £400000 and he will not be doing so next season. He also stated that he may decide to walk away at some point in the future and if he did he would never come back, thats how he has dealt with previous interests.
SOC also stated that he wouldnt have Dennis bullied out and if he was, SOC would follow. He also stated if Dennis was dismissed and a new coach was brought in he would have to work with the same group of players and the chances were nothing may change. As there is no more money for new players this season.
It was also stated that there is a lot of good going on at Widnes behind the scenes, we stated that all we see as fans is the 80 mins on a sunday and some of these performances have been pretty dismal. The club suggested that maybe they need to get the message out of the things going on at the club behind the scenes and invite fans to training sessions etc. Also stated of the academy performance and recently beating Warrington. They are bringing local lads through who within 3 years time we be playing in key positions for Widnes.
Dennis explained that one of the problems we have is that some of the players are not mentally tough enough yet and they are working really hard with individual players to improve this.
I have not mentioned everything discussed but basically I went into the meeting wanting rid of Betts and Cullen but came away with a different attitude.
To try and give an overall summary, everyone at the club is as disappointed as the fans and working really hard to improve things. Its our first season in SL and we have a lot of catching up to do, we are going to build on the squad year on year. Adding more quality players next year and eventually bringing our youth through. We are using Huddersfield as a model club, they started from the bottom and worked their way up. we need to be patient as supporters and stay behind the club even though its tough at times.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 8:41 am  

I think they are spot on in a couple of places. Even if we brought the likes of Brian Noble in, he would still be dealing with the same set of players Dennis has. The team wouldn't increase alot imo. Its clear that we're stuck with Betts and protesting and abusing him will not only drive him away, but it may also push SOC further away.

I dont know what SOC wants us to do though. He's budgeted for 7000, we're currently getting 4,000, playing the worst rugby i have ever seen and bottom of the league. This wont improve from now until next season so stronghold members next year will be the same if not less than this year.

He has said he is not prepared next year to fund the losses we have made. If they dont think of a way to bring extra revenue into the club, SOC will be on his way.

Like he said though, they need to show the fans a lot more of the stuff thats going on behind the scenes, the good stuff because as far as all 4,000 of us are concerned its a club full of negativity at the moment.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 10:01 am  

Just to add, SOC also mentioned that they looked at a number of Aussie coaches to appoint as coach and mentor Betts. But they were not available, Tim Sheens was one and he said the time was not right at the moment but he said not to rule him out and maybe being involved with club in the future.
Also that the club is trying hard to build a culture and good working enviroment at the club which players and fans want be involved in.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 11:11 am  

No Lucifer wrote:

Adding more quality players next year and eventually bringing our youth through. We are using Huddersfield as a model club, they started from the bottom and worked their way up. we need to be patient as supporters and stay behind the club even though its tough at times.

Going to be a bit tricky stealing our own youth products!

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 11:32 am  

The way i see it, I'd like to see Gore at least being introduced this year. We have Mullally and Cravem, two promsing players getting first team rugby. One of them wont be here next year.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 11:43 am  

J20 wrote:

Going to be a bit tricky stealing our own youth products!

I dont think that was part of the model.
Was mentioned about Mull though and they were disappointed in the way things have gone.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 12:17 pm  

Is the squad as bad as Betts / SOC / PC make out? Continued public criticism of their ability is hardly going to help things improve. I don't think it's THAT bad when we're in good health myself.

Sadly the only way attendances will improve is if we challenge for the 8 / 6.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 12:26 pm  

If we could put our best 13 out things would be a lot better, but we have no strength in depth.
I think we a really struggling in the forwards, real lack of any power in the props and lack some real workhorses tackling wise.
Plus as stated by the club we are relying on young lads who are not yet mentally tough enough to play 80 mins.
Agreed cannot see the crowds increasing for a while, but the club certainly dont need supporters turning their back on them or cancelling VSH.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 1:27 pm  

J20 wrote:

Going to be a bit tricky stealing our own youth products!

Oh dear..."stealing"

You have a third rate under achiever in Cullen. You appoint a very poor head coach. The squad is poor though you had plenty of time to put it together + your conditioning is poor. Now your owner is alluding to pulling the pin.

Platitude machine Cullen goes on about contract offers, he focusses only on the short term money.

If you were a quality young player you may think another 2 years of Cullen's mindnumbing cliches, mediocre coaching from betts + poor physical development in a losing environment is not the best way to build a career.

Steve O'connor is making a huge error relying on the likes of cullen, terry o'c and betts. Relying on numpties is not part of the huddersfield model. Over 10 years ago they used psychometric tests and professional recruitment methods - to get a relatively unknown Tony Smith. I suspect Cullen et al have used more old fashioned methods.

Re: Mondays meeting : Fri May 04, 2012 2:00 pm  

Cripesginger wrote:

Oh dear..."stealing"

You have a third rate under achiever in Cullen. You appoint a very poor head coach. The squad is poor though you had plenty of time to put it together + your conditioning is poor. Now your owner is alluding to pulling the pin.

Platitude machine Cullen goes on about contract offers, he focusses only on the short term money.

If you were a quality young player you may think another 2 years of Cullen's mindnumbing cliches, mediocre coaching from betts + poor physical development in a losing environment is not the best way to build a career.

Steve O'connor is making a huge error relying on the likes of cullen, terry o'c and betts. Relying on numpties is not part of the huddersfield model. Over 10 years ago they used psychometric tests and professional recruitment methods - to get a relatively unknown Tony Smith. I suspect Cullen et al have used more old fashioned methods.

Not what was said on monday, they are using the latest technology to measure speed, impact etc. Each player is also continually individually assesed and coached.
As for developing young players Mull was sent to Oz with the Broncos personally paid for by SOC.
I think the big problem is some of our youngsters are being thrown in at the deep end because of injuries, rather being brought in gradually.