Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:02 pm  

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Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:27 pm  

Haven where the pits today. Very worrying for them. They usually come down here and niggle, slow the play the ball down and compete in the forwards.

They struggled to even compete in the forwards with a very big pack against our patched up pack which isnt going to steamroller anyone.

As already said Davies had a stormer today but I actually thought Lee Doran was our MOM today. He was everywhere and I only actually counted one penalty conceded by him today.

The substitutions and then rotating players to piece a pack together didnt help the second half but at the moment I think we could put most of those players anywhere on the pitch and they would give us as good an account of themselves as they could.

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:47 am  

widneslardboy wrote:

Haven where the pits today. Very worrying for them. They usually come down here and niggle, slow the play the ball down and compete in the forwards.

They struggled to even compete in the forwards with a very big pack against our patched up pack which isnt going to steamroller anyone.

As already said Davies had a stormer today but I actually thought Lee Doran was our MOM today. He was everywhere and I only actually counted one penalty conceded by him today.

The substitutions and then rotating players to piece a pack together didnt help the second half but at the moment I think we could put most of those players anywhere on the pitch and they would give us as good an account of themselves as they could.

I'd go along with most if not all of this.

Not sure if we took our foot off the gas or whether the substitutions made us disjointed, but we could/should have run up a big score. IMO the only negatives would be the injuries (again) and Yates, who yet again had his decent moments but couple of big blunders. Not doing himself any favours at the moment and needs a couple of error free games to get the confidence back. Mind you people have blamed lack of confidence for 3 seasons now and there must become a point where the confidence card is overplayed and if he makes mistakes the only reason can be that he's not good enough. They do say form is temporary and class is permanent - are Yates mistakes down to talent or form? Its a shame really because I don't remember Yates making many errors in the academy and IMO if plays against Toulouse and Lezignan and has good games then people will get behind him. At the moment though, I can't see him playing much once Ford is fit again.

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:30 am  

[quote="vikings 4 ever"]I'd go along with most if not all of this.

Not sure if we took our foot off the gas or whether the substitutions made us disjointed, but we could/should have run up a big score. IMO the only negatives would be the injuries (again) and Yates, who yet again had his decent moments but couple of big blunders. Not doing himself any favours at the moment and needs a couple of error free games to get the confidence back. Mind you people have blamed lack of confidence for 3 seasons now and there must become a point where the confidence card is overplayed and if he makes mistakes the only reason can be that he's not good enough. They do say form is temporary and class is permanent - are Yates mistakes down to talent or form? Its a shame really because I don't remember Yates making many errors in the academy and IMO if plays against Toulouse and Lezignan and has good games then people will get behind him. At the moment though, I can't see him playing much once Ford is fit again.[/quote

Agree about Yacca i thought he was dreadfull again.
if ford unfit grady should move to fullback

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:49 am  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

Very good first half and then to many changes to be consistent enough in the second half, impressive considering all the youngsters we had out. Jim Gannon and Lee Doran both worked themselves into the ground. Ford looked to have done his hamstring again and Lee got knocked unconscious at the end so wil most probably miss next week.

Decent crowd of over 3,000 too considering Haven only brough about 7 people.

There was more than 7. The majority went in the South stand as we attempt to avoid the North stand after recent visits. The ones who went in the South stand also got mixed up as some got tickets for South East and others had tickets to sit in the players families area. I would say there was maybe about 40 in total. There was 28 on the mini bus.

We should've been beat by a lot more. Each game we've had this season I've come away thinking we got lucky with the scoreline. At Leigh I thought they were very average and put over 40 on us. I thought Featherstone took pity on us with 20 minutes to go and Widnes maybe did the same although in some ways I thought you dropped to our level. It could easily have been 80+ your side is far superior to our side, bigger, fitter and it was easy or embarrasing depending on which way it's looked at. Our players never learn and the sin binning we got yesterday had been coming for 10 minutes.

Can see us having someone suspended as well as it looked like an elbow to the chin of the Widnes player (was it Doran) who went off late in the 2nd half.

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:54 am  

Bigger?

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:52 pm  

SNOT-HIM08 wrote:

Bigger?

Yes, basically our forwards are too lightweight particularly in the front row, in previous years we've been able to take sides on down the middle but now there's nothing. When they take the ball up they just get knocked backwards, compared to the likes of Gannon who seemed to break through tackles for fun in the first 20 minutes.

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:02 pm  

Well i hope things get better for you mate, Haven have always been a strong side and im sure they will come good again. A change of coach and fresh approach is what you need.

Re: Widnes 48 Haven 18 : Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:24 am  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

Well i hope things get better for you mate, Haven have always been a strong side and im sure they will come good again. A change of coach and fresh approach is what you need.

One thing I don't get about Haven is the sheer number of penalties they give away. It's not just one or two games, its every time we play them. A lot of the time they just don't give themselves the opportunity to win the game because they are always on the back foot - because of their discipline. The kicking we gave them in the Northern Rail final the other year was a prime example - the game was won for us in the 1st 15-20mins because Haven gave that many penalties away and we kept scoring off the back of them.

I also agree about Stokes. He seemed to have a really good impact when he 1st joined them but, its not a long season and things can quickly get away from you. Haven should probably give him a couple more games, but if they carry on losing I don't see how they could keep him on.