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| Quote Viking Vengeance="Viking Vengeance"You know what? Im not so sure they will get the increase they hope for.
The old ground was in the middle of a very large area of housing in the middle of the main heart of Salford. Lots of roll-up customers i would expect, on foot etc. The new one will require the vast majority of fans to get in their cars (if they have them) and drive 5 miles out of town into the area of the trafford centre. It certainly wont be like Wire, where their new ground was effectively in the same general area albeit about quarter of a mile's walk from the old one and still slap bang in the middle of residential/town centre Warrington. They will need the people of Urmston and Flixton to make up that shortfall of walk-up traffic. Also just as an aside, Widnes used to have this problem once upon a time when the chemical companies were booming, but I cant believe how bad the smell is from the sewage works right by Barton Bridge there. Nasty.'"
I believe it is being capped as part of the proposal of works. But you are quite right.
As for the development. It will see quite a few new fans I reckon. How many people do you hear complaining about vandalism being done to their cars at the moment around the Willers.
Plus public transport to the area aint too shabby either.
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| My money is on the RFL keeping the current 14 teams. They didnt have the bottle last time and i cant see it bein different this time.
If i was a fan of a current SL team id be very disappointed if we were replaced..
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| Quote nes2002="nes2002"My money is on the RFL keeping the current 14 teams. They didnt have the bottle last time and i cant see it bein different this time.
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So then there's no need nor incentive for clubs to progress and improve,they can just rest on their laurels safe in the knowledge that banishment to the lower leagues is unlikely.Sort of makes the whole thing pointless.
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| Quote GSF="GSF"So then there's no need nor incentive for clubs to progress and improve,they can just rest on their laurels safe in the knowledge that banishment to the lower leagues is unlikely.Sort of makes the whole thing pointless.'"
And our youth set up be a waste of time seen as we are in the top group.Best 5 including superleague teams.Think only saints,wigan and leeds above us? 
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| They need to kick someone out or the game will simply stagnate! If the likes of Wakey can get away with not improving the ground dispite promising to do so where is the incentive elsewhere? If a Championship side (ex Toulouse) also doesn't get in especially Widnes with yoof & facilities then where is the incentive for any other side to build a new ground / set up yoof?
If they keep the same 14 it could be the death of the game below SL IMO and also the end of any dreams of a modern game played in top class stadiums and brining through lots of young quality players.
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| Quote nes2002="nes2002"My money is on the RFL keeping the current 14 teams. They didnt have the bottle last time and i cant see it bein different this time.
If i was a fan of a current SL team id be very disappointed if we were replaced..
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They have already stated one will be dropping down from Super League.
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| Ah but they state a lot of things - you don't actually believe that do u VM ???
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| I am no fan of the RL but I suspect they mean business this time.Nigel Wood said in an interview a few months back that we are in competition with other sports and entertainments for peoples time and money and in this day and age people expect modern,comfortable facilities.I just got the impression they are sick to the back teeth of promises from certain clubs and the antequated image of the game when televised from some grounds.What would be the point of this charade every 3 years if they are going to award a club with an inferior rating a SL licence above a club with a superior rating?It would just breed complacency with the established also rans doing nothing to make progress with stadia,facilities, etc because they will know that it doesn't really matter.
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| Stadia aren't the be all and end all for franchise though. It's set up so super league clubs can cover most criteria and get a B/C grade - enough to stay in. Championship clubs don't have a chance on any criteria except for the shiny stadia one - that wont get a B/C grade. Rules will only change for clubs the RFL want in there - were Crusaders really a C grade based on the facilities they had then, and why weren't they reassessed when they became a new club at the other end of Wales? Is there a criteria for them stating "has potential to get better if franchise moved around until they find somewhere that likes them?"
Closed shop. Lets not kid ourselves eh?
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| Widnes were on a C last time surely! We had two 'problems' the fact a new company effectively and also our youth production both those now dealt with!
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| Quote OFFTHECUFF="OFFTHECUFF"And our youth set up be a waste of time seen as we are in the top group.Best 5 including superleague teams.Think only saints,wigan and leeds above us?
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Only Saints and Wigan. Widnes finished above Leeds.
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| Quote Viking Vengeance="Viking Vengeance"You know what? Im not so sure they will get the increase they hope for.
[size=150The old ground was in the middle of a very large area of housing in the middle of the main heart of Salford[/size. Lots of roll-up customers i would expect, on foot etc. The new one will require the vast majority of fans to get in their cars (if they have them) and drive 5 miles out of town into the area of the trafford centre. It certainly wont be like Wire, where their new ground was effectively in the same general area albeit about quarter of a mile's walk from the old one and still slap bang in the middle of residential/town centre Warrington. They will need the people of Urmston and Flixton to make up that shortfall of walk-up traffic. Also just as an aside, Widnes used to have this problem once upon a time when the chemical companies were booming, but I cant believe how bad the smell is from the sewage works right by Barton Bridge there. Nasty.'"
You are totally off with that my friend; weaste (where the ground currently is) is one of the most lightly populated areas of the city due to crime thousands of people have now moved. The area where the new stadium will be situated will be slap bang in the middle of nearly four different area's there's irlam/cadishead. flixton/urmston. eccles/worsley trafford/sale these area's have 10 times the population of tiny weaste which I m not afraid to say has more immigrants and crime sponging families than anything else living there. Home fans don't like going to the willows never mind away fans the ground is in the total wrong area for a top league sporting team, the sooner were out the better. You can kind of match us to hull fc with there old boulevard ground being situated in a very similar type of area to weaste, its just not appealing to families to come and watch there team.
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