Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:39 am  

Added I don't think Widnes have used more than 4 loans in one game (I think that's the rule anyway?) and the reason we have needed more loans is that the likes of Farrell impressed that much and with 1 / 2 injuries Wigan wanted him back and now a key 1st teamer!

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:45 am  

Edited for accuracy

J20 wrote:

Got to laugh just seen a Barrow fan having a pop at Widnes having too many loan players and not using youth

(last two games for sides)
Barrow Vs Batley - 1 loans / dual
Widnes Vs Batley - 2 loans / dual

The ridiculous threads I start on this forum are so factually incorrect it's untrue!

At least we know they still care

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:44 pm  

I'll admit my bad in thinking Bauer was a loaner

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:21 pm  

AJ Viking wrote:

As I previously said, we had a number of injuries and playing 17/18 year olds in this division isn't realistic.

Do you run a Reserve Team ? Nobody would expect many U-18's to make the step up.

As I said before, Widnes fans would be up in arms if another major competitor had fielded 8 (or more) different loan players over the course of the season.

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:26 pm  

No we wouldn't not under similar circumstances

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:54 pm  

SRC wrote:

Do you run a Reserve Team ? Nobody would expect many U-18's to make the step up.

As I said before, Widnes fans would be up in arms if another major competitor had fielded 8 (or more) different loan players over the course of the season.

Yes we do, another credit to the club to be running yet another team. That's where we got the likes of Mullaly, Hulme, Houghton, Kelly, Craven from etc. How many young kids do you expect us to put out?

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:19 pm  

SRC wrote:

Do you run a Reserve Team ? Nobody would expect many U-18's to make the step up.

As I said before, Widnes fans would be up in arms if another major competitor had fielded 8 (or more) different loan players over the course of the season.

There is absolutely no way we would be up in arms like some of you are. It isn't based on the fact that we have so many loan and/or dual reg on our books at all. That's nothing. It's an irrelevance because if we're in the rules and we have 13 on the pitch there isn't a real issue to complain about. It's simply an overreaction to the strength of our club in light of the coming license bids. We're being over scrutinised and no matter what challenges we face and how we face them somehow we are always either not working within the spirit of the game or rules or worse we are cheating.

If you'd had an injury list like ours, you'd have turned to more loan signings.

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:54 pm  

SRC wrote:

Do you run a Reserve Team ? Nobody would expect many U-18's to make the step up.

Yes.

And we used several players from that squad too. The main problem in bringing these through to cover injuries was that the reserves didn’t start playing until a couple of months after the start of the Championship season, so none of these players were initially match fit. Yet another RFL love up!

SRC wrote:

As I said before, Widnes fans would be up in arms if another major competitor had fielded 8 (or more) different loan players over the course of the season.

No they wouldn’t.

Barrow fans have shown themselves to be massive hypocrites. Their club has used loan players – it doesn’t matter how many – they use them and they have needed them.

When you can also use 8 club-trained youngsters too, you can brag about it. Until then what Barrow are doing is far worse imo.

J20 was correct in highlighting the breathtaking hypocrisy and sheer ignorance of some of your fans.

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:25 pm  

Pepe wrote:

J20 was correct in highlighting the breathtaking hypocrisy and sheer ignorance of some of your fans.

Remember it was J20 who started this thread trying to be a smart @rse when he didn't know the facts. It is some of your fans who are the ignorant (and arrogant) ones.

I can't see how I'm ignorant to be honest. The facts and figures speak for themselves. Your season has been akin to a grand scale 'hokey-cokey' - players in, out, in, out. Ainscough being the perfect example. The system is bad for the player, unsettling for the squad and unfair on the player that gets dropped when the 'big time charlie' is available to play.

Re: Loan a Raider? : Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:46 pm  

SRC wrote:

Remember it was J20 who started this thread trying to be a smart @rse when he didn't know the facts. It is some of your fans who are the ignorant (and arrogant) ones.

I can't see how I'm ignorant to be honest. The facts and figures speak for themselves. Your season has been akin to a grand scale 'hokey-cokey' - players in, out, in, out. Ainscough being the perfect example. The system is bad for the player, unsettling for the squad and unfair on the player that gets dropped when the 'big time charlie' is available to play.

Injuries and recalls have all played their part. There is nothing to snipe at here. Like I said, we have used 8 club grown players. When your club can say that you may have something to get on your high horse about.

We have probably played too many of our youngsters too soon. This isn’t good for them and has leveled the learning curve they should be getting by playing along side a team with plenty of experienced players. The players we have brought in on DR are close to the step up, as has been shown with 4 of them being recalled to first team rugby in SL.

When you look at the reasons why we have used so many players, and put it in its true context, there is no cause for the sort of criticism which has been coming from some quarters. No-one at Widnes wanted it this way either.

Barrow have used both loan and DR players. They do not bother with a youth system and have no moral high ground to pontificate about Widnes’ use of such players.