Re: Why? : Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:56 pm  

I told him to clear of when he was Questioning our 1 million profit, but if that was the reason then he wants his head testing.

Re: Why? : Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:02 pm  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

I told him to clear of when he was Questioning our 1 million profit, but if that was the reason then he wants his head testing.

I had a go at him as well. But to be fair, we've never exactly been serious around here.

Re: Why? : Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:05 pm  

J20 wrote:

So basically Blackpool can't liquidate current company and start again but Crusaders can with the RFLs full support. What s fudging joke are game is we desperately need one of SLs big guns like Wigan to lead a protest and we can get those two self proclaimed RL super 'men' out of our game!

But what has any of this got to do with us right at this time?

Take a look at the thread on this on the VT. Who are they currently talking about???

US. And it's because you brought us into the discussion even though it's nothing to do with us. If you're going to post on there, stop comparing their situation to ours, that just invites scrutiny and gives people an easy escape route.

Re: Why? : Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:37 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

But what has any of this got to do with us right at this time?

Take a look at the thread on this on the VT. Who are they currently talking about???

US. And it's because you brought us into the discussion even though it's nothing to do with us. If you're going to post on there, stop comparing their situation to ours, that just invites scrutiny and gives people an easy escape route.

Is that not why the main discussion about it is on the VT and why not brought up on this board, as clearly put to bed on Widnes for SL 2011 thread?

Is it related to our past, yes whichever way you want to view it. Does what the RFL do effect all clubs, yes. That's the way I say it. There are not many saying haha have it Cru! So in total honesty I don't see any problem whatsoever. I couldn't care less who the side is, it's the RFL's integrity that's at stake here. If people want to avoid the point by talking about Widnes, then let them!

Re: Why? : Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:24 pm  

J20 wrote:

Is that not why the main discussion about it is on the VT and why not brought up on this board, as clearly put to bed on Widnes for SL 2011 thread?

Is it related to our past, yes whichever way you want to view it. Does what the RFL do effect all clubs, yes. That's the way I say it. There are not many saying haha have it Cru! So in total honesty I don't see any problem whatsoever. I couldn't care less who the side is, it's the RFL's integrity that's at stake here. If people want to avoid the point by talking about Widnes, then let them!

I think bringing Widnes into everything is the problem. This is the Crusaders problem, and not ours. Once you start moving in criticizing them, they will hold up or own past administration as proof of the stupidity of Widnes fans in trying to take some moral stance over the situation in Wales. Guess what? They are perfectly right to point that out to you. We went bust as well not so long ago and now, instead of other fans saying get 'Widnes in' and speaking of us positively, the whole cr@p we went through in 2007 is being dragged up again and some Widnes fans are embarrassing themselves and their club by trying to pretend that we didn’t go bust and we paid off all of our debts. Well we did go bust and the new club didn’t pay off the vast bulk of our debts, just HBC and a few local business’s, so it’s best to keep a low profile and, as Chris has said, don’t give the dickheads on the VT an easy way to deflect from the subject and have yet another go at our club.

I’d prefer to sit back and watch them wriggling and squirming while trying to justify the indefensible.

Re: Why? : Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:52 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

Mod hat is off by the way, the following is posted purely as a fan.

What compells certain Widnes fans from constantly giving their tuppence worth on the Crusaders and/or Harlequins issue?

The way I see it is this. Our top flight status is entirely unconnected to the issue of the crusaders continuing existence. We're doing the right things as a club to get that status, so we don't need to feel bitter about it any more. We all feel cheated about the way we've been treated in the past, but theres no need to bang on about it. You just give people reason to start bashing us.

Yes, were all entitled to an opinion, and it's not great when we are unfairly generalised and used as a diversion tactic by people trying to deflect criticism of expansionism but its high time some people learned some diplomacy.

The other day there was a thread about crusaders finances. Then someone claiming to be a widnes fan, who has never been on here, feels the need to bring up our finances into it. Why? You know what that's going to do. Just leave it.

So yes, give your opinions, just don't feel compelled to give them every single time, and harp on and allow discussions to scrutinise us, it's getting embarrassing to see people invite others to run us down. And for god's sake, if you're going to go into those threads, just leave widnes out of it. Those issues are not our fault or problem.

Great post. As was your other post a couple of weeks suggesting something similar. Hopefully the advice is taken on board.

Re: Why? : Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:30 am  

Just a suggestion.....Widnes replace Crusaders for 2011 season. Crusaders take their place in Championship and are allowed to apply for a 2012 SL licence. (sorry did I say Widnes, I meant Barrow..lol)
Or the RFL could just change all the goal post to suit themselves again.

Seriously...how can the Crusaders be allowed to continue with their history since their construction, any other club (with certain exceptions) would have lost their licence by now. When will the RFL give up on expansion as its been proved that it does not work.

Re: Why? : Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:52 am  

soss wrote:

Just a suggestion.....Widnes replace Crusaders for 2011 season. Crusaders take their place in Championship and are allowed to apply for a 2012 SL licence. (sorry did I say Widnes, I meant Barrow..lol)
Or the RFL could just change all the goal post to suit themselves again.

Seriously...how can the Crusaders be allowed to continue with their history since their construction, any other club (with certain exceptions) would have lost their licence by now. When will the RFL give up on expansion as its been proved that it does not work.

Catalans? Or do they not count?

Having said that I am getting fed up with Crusaders.

Re: Why? : Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:01 am  

Dan155 wrote:

Catalans? Or do they not count?

Having said that I am getting fed up with Crusaders.

French RL heartland with a strong fan base, history in the region and were also brought in on a sound business plan as on this one the RFL actually took a little bit of time to make sure things were assessed and ready.

Re: Why? : Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:31 am  

Dan155 wrote:

soss wrote:

Just a suggestion.....Widnes replace Crusaders for 2011 season. Crusaders take their place in Championship and are allowed to apply for a 2012 SL licence. (sorry did I say Widnes, I meant Barrow..lol)
Or the RFL could just change all the goal post to suit themselves again.

Seriously...how can the Crusaders be allowed to continue with their history since their construction, any other club (with certain exceptions) would have lost their licence by now. When will the RFL give up on expansion as its been proved that it does not work.

Catalans? Or do they not count?

Having said that I am getting fed up with Crusaders.

Catalans have been located in a strong rugby league area all along..I have played over in that region on three tours in the 80's and ref'd over there. So is that an expansion for rugby league or an expansion of the RFL (few free trips abroad for them)?