Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:38 pm  

OFFTHECUFF wrote:

I want what you are drinking.

Well it's clearly not as strong as the stuff you are drinking if you think association football can continue in its current state without it tearing itself apart.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:15 am  

Roverswall wrote:

Well it's clearly not as strong as the stuff you are drinking if you think association football can continue in its current state without it tearing itself apart.

That is why in the Premiership Man Utd sold out 70 odd thousand,Arsenal near 60,000,Liverpool 44000, and possibly 60,000 if got a new stadium.Man Utd just offered 250,000 grand a week to Rooney.Rugby league is not expanding, just look at london still not averaging over 4000 in a capital.In my opinion that is shocking. Too far - Alex You just do not like to see a team like Widnes in Superleague, so jog on. London has had many chances and Widnes have been shitted on big time.I am based down south, so i think i know if they like Rugby league.
People like you just come on a Widnes board to stir things up, and really your just a prick.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:29 am  

Nice. Glad I didn't voice an opinion different to yours.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:33 am  

jonny the leyther wrote:

Nice. Glad I didn't voice an opinion different to yours.

So football dieing?I do not think so.He is a HKR fan who clearly hates Widnes.A capital like London should be attracting an average near to 8000 if was expanding.Obviously they go and watch football,rugby union etc.I was based in London for 8 yrs so i know they are not interested in rugby league.It is just a few thousand out of 7 million people.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:54 am  

OFFTHECUFF wrote:

So football dieing?I do not think so.He is a HKR fan who clearly hates Widnes.A capital like London should be attracting an average near to 8000 if was expanding.Obviously they go and watch football,rugby union etc.I was based in London for 8 yrs so i know they are not interested in rugby league.It is just a few thousand out of 7 million people.

You're an embarrassment.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:27 pm  

OFFTHECUFF wrote:

That is why in the Premiership Man Utd sold out 70 odd thousand,Arsenal near 60,000,Liverpool 44000, and possibly 60,000 if got a new stadium.Man Utd just offered 250,000 grand a week to Rooney.Rugby league is not expanding, just look at london still not averaging over 4000 in a capital.In my opinion that is shocking. Too far - Alex You just do not like to see a team like Widnes in Superleague, so jog on. London has had many chances and Widnes have been shitted on big time.I am based down south, so i think i know if they like Rugby league.
People like you just come on a Widnes board to stir things up, and really your just a prick.

Would that be the same Manchester Utd that have a dept so large they are struggling to pay it off?, Would that be the same Liverpool that were hours from being dragged into administration due the the mountain of debt they were in and these are the BIG clubs answer me this exactly what is holding Chelsea and Manchester City up looking at their wage bills and their income streams as just 2 examples (Infact bugger that have a look at the top 2 leagues and it makes the problems in RL smallfry)?
Like I said when the millionares get bored or the wages/debts get to large Association Football is screwed.
examples

Manchester United - £800M in debt (that is 4/5 of a BILLION pounds to you or me)
Chelsea - looking at their wage bill makes me cry and what happens if the Russian pulls out tommorrow as there is no way they can cover those wages/that debt without him?
Manchester City - Look at Chelsea.
Sunderland - Look at Manchester City.
Wigan - Look at Sunderland.
Newcastle - Look at Wigan.
Spurs - Look at Newcastle.
West ham - Look at Spurs.
Etc,Etc.
The Debt that the top 2 teirs of the Football Assoociation owe is eye watering and guess what ITS GETTING BIGGER.
Like I said only an idiot can't see it imploding at some point.
Also I am glad you brought up Mr Rooneys new wage, Now answer me a question what will that do to the wider Association Football wage structure will it make the wages go up or down.
Answer that question and you competly prove my point.

Oh and BTW I DO wan't Widnes in SL but that doesn't mean that when someone is talking silly talk I wont call them on it.

This is called reasoned debate BTW lets see if you are capable of it or are you going to revert to name calling again?

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:04 pm  

Roverswall wrote:

snip

Debt is also relative to income. Those figures look big, but so too is their income. Much of the debt has also been placed on their books via the "purchase" of the club. The debt hasn't been run up via trading, despite the sizeable pay grades of soccer players. Soccer won't implode - it's BskyB's biggest draw.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:30 pm  

littlerich wrote:

Debt is also relative to income. Those figures look big, but so too is their income. Much of the debt has also been placed on their books via the "purchase" of the club. The debt hasn't been run up via trading, despite the sizeable pay grades of soccer players. Soccer won't implode - it's BskyB's biggest draw.

It maybe Sky's biggest draw but it also recives by far the biggest slice even Sky will only pay so much.

I fail to see how the debt is listed makes much diffrence its either debt or it isn't.
Take Liverpool as an example I would imagine the debt was listed in just the way you mentioned that still didnt' stop RBS getting twitchy and asking for the money back, That would have put LFC in administration not their American owners.

Also Mr rooney now gets £1/4M a week, Can you guess whats going to happen next?
I would imagine most of the top earners at Chelsea and M City are going to start saying 'My turn now and if hes getting £250,000 a week I want £300,000' and I bet they get it this them once again will make all the lesser players in the prem's agents get even better monies for their average players.
There is one thing that I failed to mention and that is that apart from the Sky cash their is a finite amount of money the clubs can get from their customers due to the price fans will/can pay for tickets and once that point is reached clubs will start folding whilst still in the prem at that point the sport WILL go POP as even billionares will only stump up so much.

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:57 pm  

Roverswall wrote:

Would that be the same Manchester Utd that have a dept so large they are struggling to pay it off?, Would that be the same Liverpool that were hours from being dragged into administration due the the mountain of debt they were in and these are the BIG clubs answer me this exactly what is holding Chelsea and Manchester City up looking at their wage bills and their income streams as just 2 examples (Infact bugger that have a look at the top 2 leagues and it makes the problems in RL smallfry)?
Like I said when the millionares get bored or the wages/debts get to large Association Football is screwed.
examples

Manchester United - £800M in debt (that is 4/5 of a BILLION pounds to you or me)
Chelsea - looking at their wage bill makes me cry and what happens if the Russian pulls out tommorrow as there is no way they can cover those wages/that debt without him?
Manchester City - Look at Chelsea.
Sunderland - Look at Manchester City.
Wigan - Look at Sunderland.
Newcastle - Look at Wigan.
Spurs - Look at Newcastle.
West ham - Look at Spurs.
Etc,Etc.
The Debt that the top 2 teirs of the Football Assoociation owe is eye watering and guess what ITS GETTING BIGGER.
Like I said only an idiot can't see it imploding at some point.
Also I am glad you brought up Mr Rooneys new wage, Now answer me a question what will that do to the wider Association Football wage structure will it make the wages go up or down.
Answer that question and you competly prove my point.

Oh and BTW I DO wan't Widnes in SL but that doesn't mean that when someone is talking silly talk I wont call them on it.

This is called reasoned debate BTW lets see if you are capable of it or are you going to revert to name calling again?

What has football clubs in debt got to do with expansion of rugby league?So it is ok to leave blackpool and whitehaven into administration, but it is fine for celtic to go in debt twice during 12 months.Footballers always get paid too much, but that means nothing at what i am stating.London has been in Superleague for yrs and their fan base should be at least near 6000 or 7000 on average.As i said i was based in London and they are not interested in league, compared to football and rugby union.I would not go and watch Widnes rugby union, so my point is you will never get rid of the interest in football and rugby union.Clubs like Widnes,Fax,Leigh,and barrow should have a chance in the top tier.The sport is run by cowboys, and i suppose if your team HKR was replaced by an expansion team, then would you be happy?

Re: I smell a rat!!!! : Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:33 pm  

OFFTHECUFF wrote:

What has football clubs in debt got to do with expansion of rugby league?

I dont know but then I could ask you the same question seeing as it was YOU that brought them into the conversation
BTW until Sky got its hands on the association game RL got more airtime then Football did if I remember right ( can anyone confirm this?).
My point is that just because Football is running roughshod over everything now doesn't mean that situation is going to last.