Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:23 am  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

Yes 44-28 looks decent enough but some of the defence was horrendous, tyrer and ropati were awful tonight. Heckenberg deserves a medal for the work he got through and macgraff was again busy. Ford must replace tyrer with tangi getting the benefit of the doubt in the other spot. A dual reg scrum half with a good kicking game wouldn't go a miss either.

Tyrer spent too much time moaning, with his winger Gardner and needs to concentrate on his own game.He will come better, as did some good things and bad.Defence can be improved in training.Grant Gore should play scrumhalf and Coyle an interchange hooker with Netherton.Hecky i thought made alot of yards, and is an asset.I am not worried about our forwards as Frodsham just needs match fitness like Hecky needed last season.We also have Danny Sculthorpe,Gaz Haggerty,Finnigan,Houghton and Pickers to come back playing.I,Anson will also be back playing in a few weeks time.Be patient as we have a better balanced squad this year.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:27 am  

sanjunien wrote:

how were TO13 generally ? any positives from them ?

They will consider themselves unlucky to have lost, having dominated for much of the game. Final score flatters Widnes.

Lewis & Nicholls were superb and Widnes struggled to cope with Worth whenever he was on the pitch. In general, they looked very good when they had the ball, not so good in defence. Even when Widnes were struggling a bit, team was still able to go 50+ metres in our six tackles. Toulouse kicking game was excellent - several chips over the top of defence, couple of which came off, a 40-20..
Good discipline from both teams - don't have the stats, but very few penalties. Plenty of errors though.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:29 am  

nes2002 wrote:

Defence needs improving all over the park, not just in the centres.. They scored easy tries on the left side, on the right side and the middle side as well as a telegraphed interception... Team work is the key to defence, and i was hoping dennis would have addressed that as defence was our weak suit last season... Obviously there's time to improve but it would have been nice to have a better starting point..

Hecks needs some help from a new seasoned prop and quickly up front.. Frodsham is slow and cumbersome.. Not upto standard for NL1 ATM for me.. Varks was ok.. But without Picks n G Haggerty we are light upfront..

Overall it was good to see us get of to winning start and my gut feeling is this squad is no better overall than last year... 4th or 5th place finish i recon....

The thing that concerns me most is - If we cant recruit a team to challenge the top 2 or 3 in NL1... IF we get to SL how the hell will we recruit a team to challenge the lower/mid table teams...

Neil

Nes Frodsham was slow but do you remember everyone slagging Heckenberg in his first few games?
He is a big lad and with match fitness will become good.Do not forget we have Pickers,Houghton,Gaz Haggerty, and Danny Sculthorpe who can play prop. Fax started badly in the Northern Rail cup and became Champions.Toulouse have some good players and will be in the top 8, so not a bad result after all.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:34 am  

JonM wrote:

They will consider themselves unlucky to have lost, having dominated for much of the game. Final score flatters Widnes.

Lewis & Nicholls were superb and Widnes struggled to cope with Worth whenever he was on the pitch. In general, they looked very good when they had the ball, not so good in defence. Even when Widnes were struggling a bit, team was still able to go 50+ metres in our six tackles. Toulouse kicking game was excellent - several chips over the top of defence, couple of which came off, a 40-20..
Good discipline from both teams - don't have the stats, but very few penalties. Plenty of errors though.

I agree and thought their halfbacks where dangerous.Coyle is not a scrumhalf and Gore needs to take his postion in the next game.Thackeray is a running player, and needs a playmaker as his scrumhalf, with a kicking game.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:03 am  

that was frodshams first game for along time he will get better and stronger and fitter.and gardner and tyrer looked like they had a dissagreement over somthing in the 1st half but in the second half they seemed fine i was sat in the south stand and they were talking and shaking hands all frew the game when things went well.emotions run high in tigh games like that

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:17 pm  

Play poor/average at this stage of the season and you have the makings of a very good team...... thats whats happenin at Leigh at the moment - great moves etc then some very average play.....can only get better.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:02 pm  

Exactly Jay - sooner have poor performances now and provide the coaches with the material they need to make improvements rather than hit the wall at the business end of the season.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:20 pm  

Redchemic wrote:

Exactly Jay - sooner have poor performances now and provide the coaches with the material they need to make improvements rather than hit the wall at the business end of the season.

Shouldn't you change your sig? Look, Widnes failed and Halifax were Champions, as i predicted. Let's move on though eh?

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:52 pm  

Redchemic wrote:

Exactly Jay - sooner have poor performances now and provide the coaches with the material they need to make improvements rather than hit the wall at the business end of the season.

Hope the do was a good one RC and plenty of money was raised... I saw some folk getting out of taxis etc all dressed up as I was driving past the stadium on the way to my do. Very smartly dressed indeed.

Re: Poor performance : Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:04 pm  

It happened at Leigh last season, started like a steam train and was joint top with Fev for 1st half of season undefeated....... lost a game to Fev and was average the rest of season and faded away, Fax started poor and come good when it mattered - thats what its all about.