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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:45 am  
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You talk absolute $h1te, even other fans of your own club recognise it as demonstarted on another thread. You are a bitter, spiteful and vindictive, even regarding issue which have little bearing on your own club.



I seem to recall your fans doing exactly the same thing and coming out with even more bizarre and bitter untruths about issues concering our club that had nothing to do with yours so it's a bit rich to have a go at Pepe when some of your own fans have said far worse.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:56 am  
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I seem to recall your fans doing exactly the same thing and coming out with even more bizarre and bitter untruths about issues concering our club that had nothing to do with yours so it's a bit rich to have a go at Pepe when some of your own fans have said far worse.


Your fans rightly challenged and refuted those claims.

When its justified and correct I am happy to take it on the chin.

When its malicious gossip or sniping, I, like many Widnes fans feel the need to challenge it and set the record straight.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:02 am  
You're wrong about pepe though. He is well respected on these boards. Don't get personal like that. You can refute without bringing it to a personal level, you come across better.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:25 pm  
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Pepe

I am not going attempt to defend any proved breaches of RFL operational rules by Barrow, however...

You talk absolute blank, even other fans of your own club recognise it as demonstarted on another thread. You are a bitter, spiteful and vindictive, even regarding issue which have little bearing on your own club.

There was nowhere near 46 players on the books at Barrow in 2009, it was actually half that number, hence the signing of Allen, Ballard, Coyle, 2Bobs and Halliwell 2/3rds of the way through the season as we were struggling to field a team when the offer to sign them came. As for the quality of signings that year, Luisi was the first to arrive 4 games into the season, then Catic in May and finally Rooney and the players mentioned above in July. Rooney making only 9 appearances and Allen et al 6. in the 2009 season. The club finished the season with 27 contracted players.

I believe the breaches so for relate to payments to players for community works which they were not actually doing. That may not be as uncommon as you think, however when you have an individual willing to tell everything he can (real or not) to settle a score with the chairman the consequences must be faced.

There is no precedent anywhere in RL for awarding a title to a club by default when the title was stripped from the original winners.

And finally, do you think it the act of a responsible governing body to impose fines that could put clubs into adminstration? A points penalty in line with the offenses is expected and appropriate, applied both this season and next if warrented. However the current financial climate means any significant fines could see Barrow (or many other clubs) be heading for administration. Is this what the game needs?

Personally I will await the findings of the RFL investigations and outcome of the hearing with the comforting thought that your opinion is absolutely worthless regarding this matter :D

You're entitled to address this post but don't get around the swear filter. Chris.


There were indeed 46 players on Barrow’s books. They had them in the squad section on Barrow's official website, with all their pictures and everything. It was a simple process to count them, so I did, and there was 46.

I wouldn’t like to see Barrow go into administration but, if Dessie Boy is willing to get them into that situation in the first place, by stuffing envelopes full of money and handing them to players to avoid the cap, then he should pay the price and do it for the RFL too. This sort of thing devalues the sport, and is so blatantly unfair to every other club in this league that it could have cost them fans and money too. The fact that you actually won the Grand Final makes the situation far worse. If I were a Halifax fan I would be fecking fuming at this news. A massive fine must follow, in order to prevent other chairmen from attempting the same thing. Barrow can then re-group and lick their wounds in Championship 1 and try to gain promotion, and glory, honestly this time.

I don’t actually agree with the salary cap as it stands but, while it’s here, I will take a very dim view of those clubs that dodge it. I don’t care if there is no precedent for handing the title to the cheated club – because that is what Halifax are – I believe they should be awarded the title for 2009. At the very least, Barrow should lose that title. If they don’t, it would set a terrible precedent. As we know, because of the Melbourne Storm, this does happen.

I don’t care if you think I’m bitter, I stand by everything that I have said. Your clubs’ chairman is a complete joke and a disgrace.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:33 pm  
Anyone got an update on this or know when the RFL will go public?
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:52 pm  
Quite sure i've read somewhere that the hearing is 1st October, i could be wrong though.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:12 am  
I have spent quite a lot of time on the Barrow board and on the whole they are a good lot of people. They love their RL and have managed to scrape together very decent sums of money to try and improve their club and ground. It is a crying shame that this prat has been allowed to do this to them. Admittedly they have had their head in the sand over the last couple of years but then who wants to think the worst of their club? Having said that they are facing a charge of Gross Misconduct so this isn't just putting a + where you need to put a -.

This whole saga could have been made a little more palatable if for example, Barrow had gone to these lengths to try and kick start some sort of a revolution up there. If they had put in place measures after 2009 to try and entice fans from surrounding areas to the club in droves by slashing ticket prices and brightening up their ground. Instead they upped ticket prices and said to hell with the stadium. It was nothing more than one man's pursuit of self aggrandisement. So he could be personally presented with trophies.

Time to strip them of their 2009 title. I can't see them handing the title over to someone else and don't believe that they should.

Interestingly enough also. At the time I was fully empathetic towards their disappointment at not being in a position to be promoted, but what a complete injustice and travesty that would have been if a team that had so blatantly cheated had been awarded such a big prize over those that played by the rules.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:13 am  
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Quite sure i've read somewhere that the hearing is 1st October, i could be wrong though.

I think it's the 3rd mate, which is this coming Monday.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:32 am  
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I think it's the 3rd mate, which is this coming Monday.

I've heard the 3rd, but also the 6th - so who knows. All I know is that the last 3 weeks have been a nightmare for the Barrow faithful.
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Re: Barrow - Version 246 : Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:16 pm  
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I've heard the 3rd, but also the 6th - so who knows. All I know is that the last 3 weeks have been a nightmare for the Barrow faithful.

Chin up mate... you deserve better than this and at least you'll have a club to support out the back of this (hopefully with someone that can realise the potential of the club).
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