Re: Gutted but a good performance : Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:12 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

You were on a team warning by then weren't you? That's possibly why Clarke was binned and nobody from Saints was.

I am not sure we would have won the match had you kept 13 on the field although we might have. We did finally start to play with some kind of cohesion in the last 15 minutes so maybe we have found our mojo at last. But I'm afraid Cross did deserve the red and not a yellow. He was straight around Wello's throat. Wello doesn't go down for show. He may flap his arms around a lot and moan at the ref, but he has never been a player to play injured. He was down because he couldn't get up. And it looked really bad from the East Stand.

Incidentally, you look a better team this season even though it is only very early. I think you will win quite a few more than you did last year. I hope Phelps isn't too badly injured. We lost Perry and Hohaia to injury during the match.

Cheers mate. On the team warning thing, we probably were but we were incensed that Saints appeared to be lying on at virtually every tackle (Hohaia being the main cuplrit) but it was us who ended up on the warning. After the gobshite Childs had put us on the warning we did transgress soon after but he did nothing which says to me he doesn't know what he's doing so I'm unsure if Clarke went for 10 due to the warning - can a ref decide when he is going to bin somebody if a team warning is issued or does itneed to be on the next transgression?

sammy_105 wrote:

Ben Cross lost you that game today, not Childs, and it was a red card...Yea he was crap, but for both teams. You were the best team today and if you would have kept all 13 on i think you would have won. The punch up seemed to wake us up and spark us into life. Think you'll finish top 8, maybe top 6 this year if you carry on playing like that. Good Luck.

Maybe so but Childs ruined it as a spectacle. Why bin Clarke and no Saints players? Sure, Cross might have deserved to go but it was Saints players who ran in and created the brawl so surely one of your lot deserved a spell in the cooler too?

ImTopWolf wrote:

Widnes fans and moaning simply goes hand in hand.

If it isn't the RL hierarchy, it's their coach, sometimes referees or whoever else they put foward as a conveinient scapegoat for the shortcomings of their very average club.

love off Bellend

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:24 pm  

Redchemic wrote:

Cheers mate. On the team warning thing, we probably were but we were incensed that Saints appeared to be lying on at virtually every tackle (Hohaia being the main cuplrit) but it was us who ended up on the warning.

Yes, I rather think that Brown has reinvigorated his tackling approach from his early days with Hudds. I don't know whether you watched Superleague at that time as Widnes had yet to return but Hudds were expert at holding down just long enough: 'controlling the ruck' I believe is what it was called! But I suppose that is all we had going for us since we couldn't pull off an attacking move all match really, except Gaskell and his dummy!

I'm unsure if Clarke went for 10 due to the warning - can a ref decide when he is going to bin somebody if a team warning is issued or does itneed to be on the next transgression?

To be honest, I have no idea! It was just a guess. I think you're right about the team warning thing. That's how Ganson approached it anyway. On Clarke's binning, others have said that apparently he gave some verbal to the referee but Andy Wilson in the comments after his match write up said it was for his role in the brawl (apparently Andy spoke to the match commissioner afterwards). So it could be that Wilkin will get a ban if he was involved (I'd be content with that if he was involved not least because this is the second consecutive week he's been involved in a fight). To be totally honest I couldn't tell who was involved. From my view in the East Stand the brawl looked more like an RU rolling maul! But I did get a full on view of the high shot and that was a red any day of the week.

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:55 pm  

Yeah, I know all about Browns tactics!!

I haven't seen the replay but I've heard that Clarke didn't have too much involvement but Wilkin & LMS ran in like a pair of bar room brawlers. Superleague full time should reveal all!! I don't think many Widnes fans will argue about Cross going off but I've heard Chase on Hardaker was a real bad one and nothing happened to Chase.....consistency?

Best of luck for the rest of the season (apart from when we come to your place of course)! Although far from the best Saints side I've seen for a good while, I think you've still got enough class to figure at the business end of the season.

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:39 am  

The team warning last as long as the ref decides he wants it to ( very silly rule really,one refs discresion will be longer/shorter than anothers ) So there is no set time or number of plays.

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:48 am  

Redchemic wrote:

I've heard that Clarke didn't have too much involvement but Wilkin & LMS ran in like a pair of bar room brawlers. Superleague full time should reveal all!! I don't think many Widnes fans will argue about Cross going off but I've heard Chase on Hardaker was a real bad one and nothing happened to Chase.....consistency

Having just watched Super League fulltime, I'm still baffled at why Jon Clarke was binned. from the footage shown it looks like his only 'crime' is being wrestled to the floor by someone! (LMS??)

How he has become the only player to be punished from the actual brawl is staggering. Cross deserved red though, total liability that guy I'm afraid.

And yes Chase on Zak looked bad - but that wasn't even ruled a penalty on the field! strange day from the men in the middle...

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:23 am  

sammy_105 wrote:

Ben Cross lost you that game today, not Childs, and it was a red card...Yea he was crap, but for both teams. You were the best team today and if you would have kept all 13 on i think you would have won. The punch up seemed to wake us up and spark us into life. Think you'll finish top 8, maybe top 6 this year if you carry on playing like that. Good Luck.

Absolute utter garbage. This was on the 60 minute mark. For 60 minutes we had been picked on by child's and targeted for penalty after penalty when st Helen's were doing the exact same as us, but worse. They held on in the tackle for so so long in the first half but nothing given

Cross maybe was a red but Clarke getting binned? No fcking way, if so. A st Helen's player should have gone. They all came running in

Extremely proud of the boys today, hope they keep it up

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:36 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

I've often stuck up for referees on here but....

That old chestnut, eh!

They were allowed to hold down every single tackle without punishment and we were pulled up for the smallest thing. They knock on and kick the ball out and it's missed.

Yet we were still in the game against all odds, so what does he do? Sends two off. One probably justified, one, a brawl that only one team is punished in? Unprecedented. And only then do they break us, one after a loving knock on.

I'm livid, and I honestly, seriously, think we should lodge an official complaint

that is hilarious! That's an embarrassing overreaction, for a mod. Seriously, I worry for your heart getting all stressed like that over nothing.

Saints were winning the ruck and were dominating the tackle, therefore the ptb was slower; it was good play from Saints. Hudds did it to us last week, they physically dominated the floor so we had a slow ptb.

Viva La Vikings!! wrote:

For 60 minutes we had been picked on by child's and targeted for penalty after penalty when st Helen's were doing the exact same as us, but worse. They held on in the tackle for so so long in the first half but nothing givenp

are you 5?

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:25 pm  

Redchemic wrote:

Yeah, I know all about Browns tactics!!

I haven't seen the replay but I've heard that Clarke didn't have too much involvement but Wilkin & LMS ran in like a pair of bar room brawlers.

There is no way wilkin would have run in anywhere unless the brawl had finished. Either that, or there were 6 of his teammates between him and any widnes player. Sh1thouse, cheapshot merchant.

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:11 pm  

Moe syslak wrote:

There is no way wilkin would have run in anywhere unless the brawl had finished. Either that, or there were 6 of his teammates between him and any widnes player. Sh1thouse, cheapshot merchant.

Not true. Sunday was the second match in succession that he had dived into a fight.

Seems like nobody got punished for the fight after all. Seeing it again on Superleague Full Time and it didn't look much really. More handbags than anything. I think almost all of both teams were involved at some point!

Clarke's binning is now a complete mystery to me. It was ok while I had the team warning theory but after seeing the brawl again I can't for the life of me imagine what was in the heads of Child and his touch judges.

Re: Gutted but a good performance : Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:05 pm  

I got told from Saints fans in work today that Clarke ran in from 20 yards. No such thing. You have been had off by Childs big style.