Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:16 pm  

J20 wrote:

What legitimate factical reason should we have not to believe are accounts from last year?

Ask an accountant ?

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:32 pm  

Starbug wrote:

The Leigh salary cap infringement was a clerical error , but still an error , so punishable , similar to incorrect filling in of registration documents or turning up with the wrong colour kit

No it isn’t. You don’t get docked points for accidentally fielding an ineligible player or turning up with the wrong kit. You only get that for serious breaches of the rules, such as going into administration or breaking the salary cap. Leigh promised to increase their income, despite knowing this will be an impossible task, due to the costs at the LSV, in order to gain an advantage on other clubs in this league in a desperate attempt to pass the on-field criteria. This is not a simple case of clerical error. It’s cheating, Starbug. You’re lucky that the RFL had to lower the amount they docked clubs, to help the Crusaders, or you may have lost even more points than you did. The RFL would also have been wary of giving your club the kind of massive fine that it deserved, because it probably would have just ended up with yet another club in administration.

Starbug wrote:

I never suggested any cheating done by Widnes , my amusement was with the fans for believing how the turnover and profit figures had been achieved

You did. You were saying that, due to the club giving false accounts, they were putting Halifax at a disadvantage. That’s basically saying that Widnes are cheating. You’re just playing with semantics here.

Starbug wrote:

What the miss us does is her own concern , I stopped telling her what to do years ago , what she knows about RLcould be written on the back of a postage stamp

Then, perhaps you could do us all a favour and control your woman.

Starbug wrote:

So what else do you want to know about Leigh ?

I know all that I need or want to know about Leigh.

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:45 pm  

Pepe wrote:

No it isn’t. You don’t get docked points for accidentally fielding an ineligible player or turning up with the wrong kit. You only get that for serious breaches of the rules, such as going into administration or breaking the salary cap. Leigh promised to increase their income, despite knowing this will be an impossible task, due to the costs at the LSV, in order to gain an advantage on other clubs in this league in a desperate attempt to pass the on-field criteria. This is not a simple case of clerical error. It’s cheating, Starbug. You’re lucky that the RFL had to lower the amount they docked clubs, to help the Crusaders, or you may have lost even more points than you did. The RFL would also have been wary of giving your club the kind of massive fine that it deserved, because it probably would have just ended up with yet another club in administration.

I know all that I need or want to know about Leigh.

You know all this , promising to increase income stuff , from where exactly ?

When did the RFL change the rules regarding point deductions ?

Yes a fine isn't really what we need right now , but there you go

My info about the form filling came from a current director , and former finance director at Leigh , so your info came from ?

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:26 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Ask an accountant ?

I'm sure we used a pretty good one, thanks.

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:31 pm  

J20 wrote:

I'm sure we used a pretty good one, thanks.

A very , very good one

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:37 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Not me though , I've said all along you've been very serious about competing in the Championship

Rubbish maybe , but always serious

Remind me which team should have been relegated, which team cheated to be competitive. Hmm. Ring any bells?

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:50 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

Remind me which team should have been relegated, which team cheated to be competitive. Hmm. Ring any bells?

We were relegated

Us it would seem

Any more questions ?

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:03 pm  

Starbug wrote:

We were relegated

Us it would seem

Any more questions ?

No you weren't. We have had this discussion before. You were saved from relegation. No semantic arguments will stop the fact that you didn't go down.

And the next question, naturally, is how can so many fans criticise us and the way we've been promoted when there have been so many clubs who have been a shambles in this league and we're just about the only really professional outfit close to super league.

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:11 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

No you weren't. We have had this discussion before. You were saved from relegation. No semantic arguments will stop the fact that you didn't go down.

And the next question, naturally, is how can so many fans criticise us and the way we've been promoted when there have been so many clubs who have been a shambles in this league and we're just about the only really professional outfit close to super league.

Have I criticised your promotion , or the way you've been promoted ( ie you are the best club , not team ) ?

Honestly ?

What you seem not to understand about the turnover,income issue is , that I'm not criticising your club , I'm criticising your ( the fans ) understanding of what the club did and why they did it , I really wish Leigh were in a position to do exactly what Mr O Connor did , but if we were and we did it , I would understand it and how and why it was done , I wouldn't pretend it was something it wasn't

Re: Come on you Mutants : Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:18 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

And the next question, naturally, is how can so many fans criticise us and the way we've been promoted when there have been so many clubs who have been a shambles in this league and we're just about the only really professional outfit close to super league.

It's a disgrace Chris.