Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:25 pm  

Heard from a good source a few players do not understand him and his tactics.They don't enjoy his coaching.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:43 am  

Wouldn't even bring in Noble, we need an Aussie like Nathan Brown or Michael Maguire to set the club right top from bottom.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:17 pm  

It's nearly impossible to defend DB at the moment but in my opinion I can see why the board haven't sacked him just yet. If we park the away games for a moment as I genuinely think there is more weight being given to Home games.
I think after the early games against Wakey and Salford a target was set of beating London. But before we even get there we put in one decent performance against Leeds and then a fantastic result against Wigan. To top it all off we win the London game and DB buys himself more time. No complaints!
Then we have an atrocious game against Bradford and he is probably issued a final warning again. What happens next... we very very nearly beat Saints. Everyone's happy (well nearly everyone)
What is this followed by? The performance on Friday night. I am almost certain looking at the games coming up that DB would have met with PC and SOC and a frank conversation about the expectations concerning this upcoming game and indeed the Cats home game would have been had. If we are honest this is the first away game in which we should be expected to be able to compete and possibly win.
Hudds, Hull FC, Catalans, Warrington and Saints all have the capacity to paste us and it was no major surprise they did. Unfortunately in this game a beating turns into a mullering very easily especially when confidence is low. The manner of the defeat is galling but along with Leeds and Wigan I would have said we could get mullered at these grounds. Hull KR I have kept away. I know we got murdered up there but to be honest the conditions were shocking and we lost Ben Cross and Paddy Ah Van in that match.

So is it any surprise he is still at the club? Not really. I actually think that it's a good thing we have a Chairman that shows some patience. We all laughed at Des Johnston up there and things are not too far down a dark alley that we can't find our way out to where we want to be. Keeping him for this long is reasonable concerning the results, keeping him beyond the next three games if we don't perform would be a time to start scratching your head. Until the end of the season and I agree it's bonkers.

I do think it is likely that if we lose and lose badly at Cas then DB may be moved out.
Maybe we'll get a win and it will galvanise the team and we begin to perform better. t's certainly a good opportunity to put two good performances together back to back.

Before our next mullering against the Wire.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:42 pm  

Surprise victory over Catalan providing they through to the next round of the cup? Week off to prepare?

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Wed May 02, 2012 4:17 am  

The recruitment for this season was very poor - although you didn't have much time to build a decent squad.

For the rest of this season I'd look for more loan signings - Liam Hood has just gone to Dewsbury and would have been a useful player to have around. I'm sure there are a number of quality players in the U20s who'd do a better job than some of those you've had playing this year. I'd also be looking at the top Championship teams and see if they have any players who fancy the challenge for the rest of the season to earn a SL contract.

What you can't do is just let this season go down the tubes the way it is, or you'll find recruitment for next season even harder.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Wed May 02, 2012 7:06 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

The recruitment for this season was very poor - although you didn't have much time to build a decent squad.

For the rest of this season I'd look for more loan signings - Liam Hood has just gone to Dewsbury and would have been a useful player to have around. I'm sure there are a number of quality players in the U20s who'd do a better job than some of those you've had playing this year. I'd also be looking at the top Championship teams and see if they have any players who fancy the challenge for the rest of the season to earn a SL contract.

What you can't do is just let this season go down the tubes the way it is, or you'll find recruitment for next season even harder.

If we loan any more players then I will cancel the stronghold. Seriously...

We have been and are obsessed with loan and dual reg to the detriment of our own young players.

I can almost hear Paul Cullen in the back of my head saying " Ah, but they only have a young training age compared with Joe Mellor (or any other Wigan player) ".

I dont want to have to watch loaned Wigan youngsters year after year.

And you are right recruitment was a love up although that is not the clubs fault if you listen to them.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Fri May 04, 2012 12:01 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

The recruitment for this season was very poor - although you didn't have much time to build a decent squad.

We came close to signing Tim Sheens & Darren Lockyer (apparently) so that might have been able attract a better calibre of players to Widnes, instead of the likes of Cross & Isa. We offered Darrell Griffin more money than anyone else but choose to sign for Leeds (could you blame him?) instead. Still that doesn't account for the mess we find ourselves in at the minute.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Fri May 04, 2012 8:43 am  

They wont be getting sacked. SOC has stated he will not settle for the abuse Betts is getting. If he hasn't been sacked by now, hes here to stay, until the end of the season at least.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Fri May 04, 2012 4:25 pm  

Paddy_88 wrote:

We came close to signing Tim Sheens & Darren Lockyer (apparently) so that might have been able attract a better calibre of players to Widnes, instead of the likes of Cross & Isa. We offered Darrell Griffin more money than anyone else but choose to sign for Leeds (could you blame him?) instead. Still that doesn't account for the mess we find ourselves in at the minute.

Whilst I'm sure the club did offer Tim Sheens the head coaching position, there was never a cat in hells chance of him coming here. I actually think that the club are bullshitting us here. It seems clear that Denis Betts was always going to be the coach. This was just a smokescreen to pacify the fans into accepting Betts. "We tried to get the best coaches in the world but they turned us down" They must think we were born loving yesterday. It insults your intelligence.

I, for one, don't appreciate being lied to. Betts is a total crock of sh/te and that is why the team are hopeless. We are not following the Huddersfield route, as we are not investing in the first team. SOC has invested a small fortune in the clubs infrastructure and yet skimped on the first team with poor players and an almost worthless coach, who was out of his depth in the Championship. SOC didn't want Sheens here precisely because he would attract top wage earners and if anything, the last 4 years has shown us, it is that the club don't do that. The first thing they did, after taking over,was set in motion a process to get rid of the higher paid players, no matter how good or committed they were. They replaced them with out of favour under 25's from other clubs and crocks. Why? because they are loving cheep. Why Denis Betts? Because he was probably the only coach who will work under such tight financial restraints.

How else do you go from trying to recruit the best coach on the planet and end up with Denis Betts?

If you are going to be spend thrift on the first team you, at least, need an experienced coach who can get the most out of what he has available. Betts is clearly not capable of this.

Considering that club officials were saying that we would be spending to the full cap, everything the club have said since our arrival in SL has been a total contradiction of that. I am becoming very disillusioned with the club, and I'm finding it harder and harder to believe a single word they say, and I'll lay odds with anyone that Tim Sheens will never be the head coach at Widnes while the current board are in charge.

Re: Sack Betts and Cullen : Sat May 05, 2012 12:59 am  

Pepe wrote: Whilst I'm sure the club did offer Tim Sheens the head coaching position, there was never a cat in hells chance of him coming here. I actually think that the club are bullshitting us here. It seems clear that Denis Betts was always going to be the coach. This was just a smokescreen to pacify the fans into accepting Betts. "We tried to get the best coaches in the world but they turned us down" They must think we were born loving yesterday. It insults your intelligence. I, for one, don't appreciate being lied to. Betts is a total crock of sh/te and that is why the team are hopeless. We are not following the Huddersfield route, as we are not investing in the first team. SOC has invested a small fortune in the clubs infrastructure and yet skimped on the first team with poor players and an almost worthless coach, who was out of his depth in the Championship. SOC didn't want Sheens here precisely because he would attract top wage earners and if anything, the last 4 years has shown us, it is that the club don't do that. The first thing they did, after taking over,was set in motion a process to get rid of the higher paid players, no matter how good or committed they were. They replaced them with out of favour under 25's from other clubs and crocks. Why? because they are loving cheep. Why Denis Betts? Because he was probably the only coach who will work under such tight financial restraints. How else do you go from trying to recruit the best coach on the planet and end up with Denis Betts? If you are going to be spend thrift on the first team you, at least, need an experienced coach who can get the most out of what he has available. Betts is clearly not capable of this. Considering that club officials were saying that we would be spending to the full cap, everything the club have said since our arrival in SL has been a total contradiction of that. I am becoming very disillusioned with the club, and I'm finding it harder and harder to believe a single word they say, and I'll lay odds with anyone that Tim Sheens will never be the head coach at Widnes while the current board are in charge. Oh I totally agree Pepe I was just going off this report: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/spo ... -29757450/ Whatever the reality we are in a loving mess right now.

Pepe wrote: Whilst I'm sure the club did offer Tim Sheens the head coaching position, there was never a cat in hells chance of him coming here. I actually think that the club are bullshitting us here. It seems clear that Denis Betts was always going to be the coach. This was just a smokescreen to pacify the fans into accepting Betts. "We tried to get the best coaches in the world but they turned us down" They must think we were born loving yesterday. It insults your intelligence. I, for one, don't appreciate being lied to. Betts is a total crock of sh/te and that is why the team are hopeless. We are not following the Huddersfield route, as we are not investing in the first team. SOC has invested a small fortune in the clubs infrastructure and yet skimped on the first team with poor players and an almost worthless coach, who was out of his depth in the Championship. SOC didn't want Sheens here precisely because he would attract top wage earners and if anything, the last 4 years has shown us, it is that the club don't do that. The first thing they did, after taking over,was set in motion a process to get rid of the higher paid players, no matter how good or committed they were. They replaced them with out of favour under 25's from other clubs and crocks. Why? because they are loving cheep. Why Denis Betts? Because he was probably the only coach who will work under such tight financial restraints. How else do you go from trying to recruit the best coach on the planet and end up with Denis Betts? If you are going to be spend thrift on the first team you, at least, need an experienced coach who can get the most out of what he has available. Betts is clearly not capable of this. Considering that club officials were saying that we would be spending to the full cap, everything the club have said since our arrival in SL has been a total contradiction of that. I am becoming very disillusioned with the club, and I'm finding it harder and harder to believe a single word they say, and I'll lay odds with anyone that Tim Sheens will never be the head coach at Widnes while the current board are in charge. Oh I totally agree Pepe I was just going off this report: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/spo ... -29757450/ Whatever the reality we are in a loving mess right now.