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Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:56 pm  
Widnes have more fans than anyone in the Championship of that there is no doubt.

It is not that I do not like Widnes because that is not true. What I cannot stomach is the idea that we have to meet criteria (which have been changed) and' when I say we' I mean all Championship clubs' to enable us to apply for a franchise.

And although Crusaders played at Neath tonight even Hunslet got a better gate than that last night.

I am totally against franchising because it rewards failure and even worse stifles ambitions of clubs who can't get one because of different rules which will be changed as and when to keep a team below where they should rightfully be if some overpaid underachieving clown at the RFL decides so.

Do you know how much Richard Lewis earned last year ? Since his appointment and the introduction of his daft experiment Non Relegation and all Championship crowds have declined.

He will say that is because of the recession but his salary has still gone up. :roll:
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Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:39 pm  
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I work for a furnishings trimmings company


"Furnishings trimmings"? Upholsterers! They're called upholsterers. No wonder people don't take you seriously at times!
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Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:47 pm  
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"Furnishings trimmings"? Upholsterers! They're called upholsterers. No wonder people don't take you seriously at times!


It's not even that. Hell, i don't know what we do! I'm just an accountant. And certainly yes, no-one should EVER take me seriously. I type out of my 'arris 100% of the time. There by the grace of Mods am i allowed to post on here :D
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Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:40 pm  
IMO Widnes should never have been relegated simple as. As a young kid starting off in rugby (late 70's) I followed Widnes for your success, as all kids do at 8 years old. I know I have given you lot a bit of stick over time but you should be first in line and I don't think many would disagree.
It's just a shame you haven't performed on the pitch but that will come once the squad is built. Good luck and I hope you beat Toulouse tomorrow and to SL.
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Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:05 am  
Well i agree the system is unfair, and i have been disappointed with our season.I admit like to watch a winning team just like FAX.Happy now Littlerick? :wink: :lol:

Offthecuff, cut the swearing mate. You know the rules. Chris.

P.S. you could have said Littlethick or Littlehick, you just got lazy.
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Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:27 am  
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Am I in the minority in thinking honesty is the best policy ?


Why would you expect RL clubs to apply that policyu when messrs Lewis and Wood don't apply it.

Comment from RL forum on BBC last evening from John Ledger (RFL media bloke) "most Championship clubs run U18s and U20s sides" :lol: :lol: (Removed) no such thing as U20s at Championship level this season for starters

Demon - you are welcome to post here but do not get around the swear filter again.

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Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.

Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”

There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back!

Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY!

Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:02 pm  
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My concern for the SL franchise award process is that the RFL are failing to make it fair and transparent

One thing which the licence system, under the current RFL dictatorship, was never meant to be.

Off! Number Seven wrote:
My concern is that the award process may be considered illegal and that the RFL may be accused of double standards (no, never I hear you cry!). The reasoning being that the RFL has set criteria against which all clubs are to be assessed, then go on to say that a Championship club (Widnes?) will be awarded a franchise and the league will remain at 14 teams. This is in effect a statement that Widnes are not in direct competition with existing SL clubs for a franchise, i.e. Widnes ability to meet SL criteria is not required to be superior to that of the least capable SL club.

If this were not the case, then no Championship club would ever be in a position to get a licence. Certain metrics can never be achieved in the lower league in the same way they can be in Super League. That doesn’t mean that a Championship club could not achieve better results on these metrics than the Current SL clubs under threat. In other words, Just by being in SL can improve certain metrics that the same club would not be able to achieve in the Championship, so your point is moot. Just by Widnes moving up to SL would up certain metrics to an extent that it betters several current SL clubs in areas where it now doesn’t while in the Championship. The same could probably be said for a couple more Championship clubs imo.

So, to try and judge CC/SL clubs on a purely like for like basis would be grossly unfair and not signify the likely potential of how any CC club would actually perform in SL. This would be just as likely, if not more so, to see legal action taken against the RFL imo.

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The decision to stagger the announcement of selection and de-selection will further add to the inevitable fiasco as rumour and “leaks” cause a media circus with the potential for the de-selected club claiming it was unethical of the RFL to allow expenditure on team building/contracts/development when they knew they would be excluded from next years competition etc. That’s the best case scenario, I am concerned they are actually going to stagger the decision making process

Staggering the announcement makes perfect sense. Any Championship club given a licence will need plenty of time to build a competitive side. This will both help that club and strengthen the competitiveness of Super League. Having a new club left with a few scraps to pick up, in order to build a team, and will just be whipping boys sat at the bottom of the table, with little hope for that season. So, giving the advanced notice makes perfect sense.

Giving notice to the club to drop down would be a disaster for the remainder of that season for said club. It would make the remaining fixtures a complete joke and those results could well affect the standings of the SL table and thus its credibility!

Their gates, sponsors and other revenue streams would be affected far more if it is announced half way through the season than at the end. Either way, it will be disastrous for the demoted club.

Rumours and leaks will always be part of any team sport regardless. That’s the way it is. It will happen before the decision is made no matter when it is made, so it will make no difference at all.


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potential for the de-selected club claiming it was unethical of the RFL to allow expenditure on team building/contracts/development when they knew they would be excluded from next years competition etc. That’s the best case scenario, I am concerned they are actually going to stagger the decision making process


It will be a disaster for whoever gets the boot, no matter what. These clubs will already be carrying SL sized debts anyway. Player contracts will become void should a club be demoted from SL. Some of these clubs – at least the ones likely to be booted out – have been making false promises about new stadiums for years. They all made promises of getting them built during the current licence period, and would have only themselves to blame should this then backfire financially.


Oh, and the whole process is unethical, and this has little to do with when clubs find out their fate.
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tb wrote:
Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.

Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”

There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back!

Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY!

Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:05 pm  
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This isn`t official of course, apparently you are either starting work or have finished work on a Sky TV hospitality area/function room at a cost of around £50k - £80k. I`m not sure if that includes a new commentary position, anyway thats the first part what he told me.


This has been planned pretty much since Steve O’Connor took over. I think it was Andy Wilson who mentioned it after we were turned down for a licence (although it could’ve been Dave Hatfield}. He went on about a media hospitality area that will be built for the press and broadcasters, while reporting from a freezing cold dump – somewhere in Sooperdooperleagueland.
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tb wrote:
Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.

Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”

There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back!

Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY!

Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:07 pm  
Starbug wrote:
Having a million pound turnover in a season is relatively easy for any club , any decent accountant could ' filter ' money through an account to achieve it

That is providing you were aware of this requirement in sufficient time to do it

I would guess that some [ a ] clubs knew about this , and some [ the rest ] clubs didn't

Similarily , the 2,500 average crowd ' criteria ' only seems to have reared it's ugly head a couple of months ago

It would seem to me that your poor on field performance might have unnerved certain people in power resulting in a little fine tuning , not that this bothers me as it just means that only you will not be wasting money actually submitting an application

This is not a ' pop ' at your good selves or your proud club

As usual we [ the rest ] have been treated as idiots

Good isn't it

All the best


Yes, we know!

Don’t you think that you may be preaching to the wise here?
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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

Re: The future of Widnes Vikings : Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:51 am  
Pepe wrote:
Yes, we know!

Don’t you think that you may be preaching to the informed here?



Well yes now it does :D
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