How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:01 pm  

How much longer is Betts going to get?

I've seen enough now, we have some good players and we are certainly better than our league position suggests.

Wakefield were absolutely nothing special. I know people on here will say it was a close game.

But for me we cannot seem to do the basics well enough. I really do think that the coaching is lacking.

No doubt I will get stick for this post, but if we really are concerned about the possible restructuring of SL then we need to do something because at the moment I think we would be a good bet to miss out.

Betts has had long enough now. Our chief executive needs to start considering the clubs future, because if the worst happens he may find that, like others at the club, he wont have a future.

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:07 pm  

I agree entirely. It's all well and good comparing this team to last year but last year was dreadful. Until we get the ball to brown out wide we look clueless

Hock for me showed that he is class but for some reason every time he tries to make an offload and it doesn't come off

Leuaui hit again, huge legal or not its definitely something the fans like to see.

Poor again and another 2 points dropped from a team we should be targeting.

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:10 pm  

Iv said this along time about Betts, all the years including finishing 5th in the Championship have we really improved.

But you get the same Widnes fans saying its an improvement from last year, as long as there saying that Betts and the rest of the coaching staff are here to stay im afraid

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:15 pm  

Runcorn Viking wrote:

Iv said this along time about Betts, all the years including finishing 5th in the Championship have we really improved.

But you get the same Widnes fans saying its an improvement from last year, as long as there saying that Betts and the rest of the coaching staff are here to stay im afraid

Entitled to your opinion but knee jerk reactions should be reserved for the relaunch of TIW. We have improved, no matter how bad tonight was (and Leeds).

Missing Cross, Dean and Mellor badly. We are still a work in progress.

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:20 pm  

Redchemic wrote:

Entitled to your opinion but knee jerk reactions should be reserved for the relaunch of TIW. We have improved, no matter how bad tonight was (and Leeds).

Missing Cross, Dean and Mellor badly. We are still a work in progress.

Sorry but your last sentence IMO is ridiculous. We can't stop saying that every time we get beat. We're in superleague and we've had 18/20 months to get ourselves up to a decent standard and get some consistent composure throughout. Can't see any of that

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:21 pm  

It's his post match reaction that gets me.."it was an improvement from last week so thats a positive"..is he for real?!! And then is nice and calm saying the players are trying very hard and we just need a few wins. I really hoped he would come out and say how bad we were and that we need to improve but no. It will be another "unlucky boys keep your heads up". We need someone who can get into the players when needs be. It's all too matey in the widnes camp..ok yes of course you want them all to get on etc. but in my opinion it all seems a bit 'too' soft. The players simply didn't have any enthusiasm whatsoever tonight and it was so disappointing to see. Wakey wanted it so much more. Yes they werent great either tonight and made mistakes too but they were eager and wanted to get the ball..we didn't. Lousy effort tonight and very very disappointing

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:24 pm  

Viva La Vikings!! wrote:

Redchemic wrote:

Entitled to your opinion but knee jerk reactions should be reserved for the relaunch of TIW. We have improved, no matter how bad tonight was (and Leeds).

Missing Cross, Dean and Mellor badly. We are still a work in progress.

Sorry but your last sentence IMO is ridiculous. We can't stop saying that every time we get beat. We're in superleague and we've had 18/20 months to get ourselves up to a decent standard and get some consistent composure throughout. Can't see any of that

We can as we are missing them. Like it or lump it, we as the newest team have arguably the least strength in depth so when we lose good players we feel it more than clubs who have been in the SL system for longer.

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:29 pm  

I think that the pre-match comments by the SKY presenters summed us up. "Widnes are at their best when they attack down the left hand side with Brown, Hock, Hanbury and Ah Van". What did Wakefield do, pack their defence on their right hand side. If that is the only way we can attack we need to start looking again at our tactics. Why did it take 65 minutes to give Gore a chance? Was Phelps injured?

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:30 pm  

Although it may be true that we have made progress from last season, when you start from such a low point as that, then it's pretty hard not to I think. A more relevant question IMO is how much progress have we made since we beat Hull early this season, or drew with Bradford with 12 men? Sorry to say that the answer is none at all. On the contrary, we have gone backwards , and by a long way, since those performances.

Re: How much longer? : Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:35 pm  

I'd agree with that Vinty. Would you say it's to do with our lack of strength to call upon?