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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:58 pm  
Tatty Feeld wrote:
I'll give you a few DM.

You've got the wrong man, Tatty. It was Rob Nash who was wanting answers from Geoff.

I think we could be relying on other results going our way over the last few rounds to get in the play-offs. I can't see us beating Barrow or Workington. Coventry won't be a gimme, and Keighley at home in the last match won't be easy.

Unless we find some form, it's hard to see us being competitve in the play-offs anyway.

I suspect the club would say Covid and injuries have derailed us; that may be true but we've not plugged the gaps well enough either.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:31 pm  
To be clear AGAIN. I'm not at all happy about the signing of our full back. My opinion on this is clear. What I'm more bothered about is the appalling decline in our line defence and our ball control. This, to me, seems to be down to a total lack of confidence. I don't know how else to explain it. This set of players is more than capable.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:41 pm  
It is a sad sorry state of affairs .

We hear very little from the club , something has got to change .

We have some tough games albeit at home . Confidence seems to be a big problem .

We are now 4th , will the club make an effort to re arrange the North Wales game which is also at home ?
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:07 pm  
Rob Nash wrote:
To be clear AGAIN. I'm not at all happy about the signing of our full back. My opinion on this is clear. What I'm more bothered about is the appalling decline in our line defence and our ball control. This, to me, seems to be down to a total lack of confidence. I don't know how else to explain it. This set of players is more than capable.


To be fair, Rob, I think our defence has been dodgy all season even when we were winning at the start of the season. There seems to be something lacking with the organisation as we don't number up properly and have conceded some very soft tries. There was one occasion against Hunslet when they had 6 to 3 on our right edge. Hunslet cocked up and failed to score but that was beside the point.

On paper, we do seem to have a strong group of players. This season's signings seemed to add something extra and we looked as though we could possibly be in with a chance of going up. I think we've been missing a full back who can get us organised. I don't think Ben Johnson is a full-back. He is much better in the halves. I thought we'd got a lad called Ricketts who could play full-back but he seems to have been self-isolating all season as he's never had a look in... unless he's left the club and we've not been told.

Listening to the Radio Manchester commentary today, they said we responded well after conceding early but two yellow cards didn't help. They thought Peltier should have got a red for punching just before half time. Cockayne was sin-binned for a deliberate obstruction apparently mid way through the second half.

I do understand what you're saying though, Rob, collectively we certainly don't seem to be playing anywhere near the potential our individual skills suggest we should.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:25 pm  
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It is a sad sorry state of affairs .

We hear very little from the club , something has got to change .

We have some tough games albeit at home . Confidence seems to be a big problem .

We are now 4th , will the club make an effort to re arrange the North Wales game which is also at home ?


When things aren't going well, a club and its fans need to work together to help get things back on track. The link between the club and the fans seems non-existent. This isn't something that has just happened this season. Things have been awful for some time.

There has been no communication regarding the N Wales game - which is poor. We don't know which players are still at the club. Fans deserve better and if this isn't addressed, I believe many die hards will give up. The club needs to realise it's not only what you do on the pitch that influences fans' loyalty; having good communication matters and if you want fans to care about the club, you must care about the fans.

The coach has no relationship with the supporters and I don't think that helps either.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:15 pm  
Sorry about that DM.
The following is a headline in an article from the free press on the Doncaster Rovers News Now web site.
"Dons in free fall and in danger of emulating Doncaster Rovers' collapse"
The article refers to Club Doncaster whose commitment I believe has to be questioned just like I said in my post several days ago.
I suppose one might say that covid has ruined the finances of many clubs but other clubs both in rugby and football have invested in their squads. Lets also not forget that Doncaster got nearly £1.75 million for their midfield player Whiteman earlier in the year and not many other clubs raked in that sort of money.
So it's about time those at the top come clean on just what they want for the Dons and Rovers.
All I can say is thank god Doncaster Knights didn't join this charlatan organisation when they were being chased to do so.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:07 am  
I had originally planned to post my thoughts at the end of the season but reading other supporters views on Facebook and RLFans has prompted me to air my feelings now.

I first watched the Dons at Tattersfield in the 70’s and by the early 80’s was hooked and a regular home & away. This season will be my last. I have already confided in those close to me and one or two fellow supporters that I won’t be renewing my season ticket next season.

There are factors both on and off the pitch which have influenced this decision.

On the pitch ...

I have not played rugby league since I was at school and have a lot of respect for the players who play the game, especially those who play at levels where the rewards, financial or otherwise are minimal. I have no axe to grind with individual players.

At the start of this season we once again had a squad which looked capable of being in the top 3 or 4 in League One. That in itself begs a question. Why, following the 2017 announcement of the 5 year plan do we once again find that not only are we not pushing for automatic promotion with a squad fully capable of achieving it, but are clinging on to a play off spot as even more difficult fixtures loom on the horizon? Does Club Doncaster back the Coach sufficiently financially? If they believe they have done, then the return on that investment is simply not good enough. If they haven’t, then they are reaping what they have sown. We are now failing to beat teams who will never play above this level of rugby league and player availability cannot be used as an excuse as all clubs are having issues. For a club which boasts ambition that also simply isn’t good enough, but I can’t help feeling that in truth there isn’t really the ambition to play in the Championship. Personally, I no longer enjoy what I am witnessing.

But worse still ... Off the pitch ...

Many people have commented about the disconnect between ‘the Club’ and the supporters. I feel that almost understates the situation and wholeheartedly agree with one particular comment that ‘the us and them is bordering on toxic’ and concur that there appears to be no ambition to resolve this.

Communication is only marginally better than non-existent and the content insubstantial. Worse still, the way the moving of a fixture to Castleford was handled looked nothing short of underhand with the venue changed on the fixture list but no official announcement until after a backlash from the fanbase.

The Club has recently deemed it appropriate to restructure the Fans Forum Meetings. These are now Meetings between Club representatives and an Advisory Group, the Club’s chosen title. My own view was that supporters weren’t getting as much out of these Meetings as I think they should but reading recent public comments from the two recently appointed Vice Chairs, one about hitting brick walls with questions, this change doesn’t appear to be for the better and could be perceived as no more than a box-ticking exercise. This change it seems was also intended to allow the CEO to take a step back from chairing these meetings.

Whilst on the subject of these Meetings, on 20 May 2021 the Club issued to potential attendees a document concerning being an ‘Independent Member of Advisory Group’. This document lists the duties and responsibilities of being a member. One of these responsibilities is ‘To understand and adhere to all policies implemented by Doncaster Rugby League Club and / or Club Doncaster group'. I have twice asked for these policies to review. Why would I agree to something without reading it and understanding it? The first time I received no response. The second time (20 July 2021), the response was that the request had been passed to Club Doncaster’s Finance Director. Still nothing! As a result I did not attend the last Meeting. I repeat, why would I agree to something without reading and understanding it? I wonder if anyone else has seen these policies? I know I am not alone in requesting them.

I have recently cancelled my standing order for Dons4Life, again, I am aware that I am not alone in this action. About 3 years ago questions began to be raised with the Club about this funding. Eventually, a meeting was called for July 2019. At that meeting it was stated that there would be transparency about what the funds were used for along with member draws, offers and discounts. I acknowledge that there is a page on the Club Website but beyond that there seems to have been little or no activity and certainly no communication with members.

There have been comments that the Club appear to have placed more importance on the World Cup fixtures than getting the Dons promoted. I couldn’t argue with those who have that point of view.

I hope that that the Club & CEO get to grips with supporter-raised issues and concerns. Should that be the case, great. Sadly, it will come too late for this particular poster.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:51 pm  
Wanderer. Excellent summary of the situation felt by many. Regrettably the same issues have been raised over a number of years and still things haven't improved.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:04 pm  
I don't get why the club is being so secretive with regards to players being injured, most of the players post on Twitter or Instagram like Watson and Misi who both look to be season long injuries as I assume is Hedges.

With no sign of Ricketts and Carter all season I'm sure some comment from the club would be appropriate given the ill feeling among the supporters.
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Re: Rochdale v Doncaster Sunday 15/8/2021 3pm : Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:59 pm  
I’m deeply saddened to hear Wanderer (Gary) has decided to call it a day.

I cancelled my Dons For Life standing order a couple of months back for the same reasons.

I stopped attending the Fans’ Forum meetings a couple of months ago too.

I believe communications with the fans have gone seriously downhill ever since Carl Hall’s In The Dugout ended. We got weekly updates on what was happening at the club at that time.

Even though the club has been made aware of the communication issues over and over again, they do nothing about it. They shouldn’t need fans to point these things out; they should be bread and butter issues that they’re on top of.

Moving the North Wales game away from the Keepmoat when the pitch was available (and the way the announcement was made) was an issue that has really made me question whether my heart is in it anymore. I’m teetering on the brink but just hanging in there by the skin of my teeth at the moment.

When life-long fans like Gary give up, very serious alarm bells ought to be ringing at the club.
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