Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:42 am  

I don't get why people have an issue with Larroyer. I don't do stats, but over the last couple of months I think along with Donno he has been one our most consistent players both in attack and defence, and has been one of the most aggressive forwards.
As for backing off from the Halifax player, I don't blame him, a couple of matches ban for punching was the last thing we wanted and that fracas needed defusing as quickly as possible.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:48 am  

fun time frankie wrote:

Larroyer has been one of our top tacklers all season

Stats mean jack for all we know 3/4 of his tackles could be 3rd man in so realistically they mean nothing. But there are a few players who have more tackles than Larroyer and played less games. I just think he's gone missing of late and doesn't offer much going forward.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:49 am  

Rural Robin wrote:

I don't get why people have an issue with Larroyer. I don't do stats, but over the last couple of months I think along with Donno he has been one our most consistent players both in attack and defence, and has been one of the most aggressive forwards.
As for backing off from the Halifax player, I don't blame him, a couple of matches ban for punching was the last thing we wanted and that fracas needed defusing as quickly as possible.

That was only a joke BTW! But I definitely saw a brown onion pop out.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:24 pm  

EL CAMO wrote:

That was the point that I was making, His Bobness made the claim that Mantellato could just sweep through the middle and deal with any kicks targeted at the full back.

No just pointing out that in our last few games including the cup semi our full back hasn't had to take a single high kick Mantellato & Sio have dealt with the lot.

I accept that we haven't faced a kicker of Sinfield's quality but I don't think Dixon is going to have to take too many high kicks and if he does have to deal with the odd one he probably catches about 2 out of 3. For me it is not a good percentage play for Leeds to spend too much time targeting Dixon with high kicks down the middle which are probably going to be dealt with by someone else,when they have so many other quality last play options. It'll probably be a good sign if they are reduced to that.

We all see things a bit differently but personally I'd be more worried about Dixon's catching ability if he was on the wing. It would be easier to isolate him with those accurate Sinfield crossfield kicks to the corner and it would be Dixon vs Ryan Hall out there. Really that is what Hull did at the magic weekend, kick to the corner big man vs little man, almost undefendable. I said after that game Dixon must now be regarded as a full back his weaknesses are more exposed as a winger.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:59 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

No just pointing out that in our last few games including the cup semi our full back hasn't had to take a single high kick Mantellato & Sio have dealt with the lot.

I accept that we haven't faced a kicker of Sinfield's quality but I don't think Dixon is going to have to take too many high kicks and if he does have to deal with the odd one he probably catches about 2 out of 3. For me it is not a good percentage play for Leeds to spend too much time targeting Dixon with high kicks down the middle which are probably going to be dealt with by someone else,when they have so many other quality last play options. It'll probably be a good sign if they are reduced to that.

We all see things a bit differently but personally I'd be more worried about Dixon's catching ability if he was on the wing. It would be easier to isolate him with those accurate Sinfield crossfield kicks to the corner and it would be Dixon vs Ryan Hall out there. Really that is what Hull did at the magic weekend, kick to the corner big man vs little man, almost undefendable. I said after that game Dixon must now be regarded as a full back his weaknesses are more exposed as a winger.

I agree that it's unlikely Leeds will put up too many high bombs direct to our fb, unless it's Danny Maguire or Rob Burrow doing the kicking on the last play around half way.

Kevin Sinfield is much more of a tactical positional and territorial kicker. He also kicks brilliantly into the in goal area from short distance or puts decent and accurate shorter high balls up for his outside backs to compete for near the corners.

Leeds also run more power plays on the final tackle than most other teams in SL.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:20 pm  

We can't control what Leeds do, they look pretty strong all over the park and have few weaknesses. Our strength has been the ability to score tries, especially from cross field kicks. Briscoe has bags of ability but he can be dodgy on these and under pressure has a tendency to wilt. We need to target him with these and get JM running onto these.

It always baffles me that we don't use that kick as much as we should because it causes teams all sorts of problems.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:31 pm  

Robin Redbreast wrote:

Stats mean jack for all we know 3/4 of his tackles could be 3rd man in so realistically they mean nothing. But there are a few players who have more tackles than Larroyer and played less games. I just think he's gone missing of late and doesn't offer much going forward.

I don't read to much into stats but watching larroyer he does a lot of tackling and not 3rd or 4th man and he's got the aggression some of our players lack

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:34 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

No just pointing out that in our last few games including the cup semi our full back hasn't had to take a single high kick Mantellato & Sio have dealt with the lot.

I accept that we haven't faced a kicker of Sinfield's quality but I don't think Dixon is going to have to take too many high kicks and if he does have to deal with the odd one he probably catches about 2 out of 3. For me it is not a good percentage play for Leeds to spend too much time targeting Dixon with high kicks down the middle which are probably going to be dealt with by someone else,when they have so many other quality last play options. It'll probably be a good sign if they are reduced to that.

We all see things a bit differently but personally I'd be more worried about Dixon's catching ability if he was on the wing. It would be easier to isolate him with those accurate Sinfield crossfield kicks to the corner and it would be Dixon vs Ryan Hall out there. Really that is what Hull did at the magic weekend, kick to the corner big man vs little man, almost undefendable. I said after that game Dixon must now be regarded as a full back his weaknesses are more exposed as a winger.

Mantallato caught everything in the semi because for some reason Warrington kicked to him every time not because he was covering for Dixon

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:30 pm  

barham red wrote:

We can't control what Leeds do, they look pretty strong all over the park and have few weaknesses. Our strength has been the ability to score tries, especially from cross field kicks. Briscoe has bags of ability but he can be dodgy on these and under pressure has a tendency to wilt. We need to target him with these and get JM running onto these.

It always baffles me that we don't use that kick as much as we should because it causes teams all sorts of problems.

Good point.

In the opening game of this season against Leeds, we got a lot of joy out of kicks to the corner and kicks to the in-goal in behind their defence. The Pies got a couple of their tries last week against Leeds with kicks to the in goal against Watkins and Briscoe. If we decide on kicks into the in-goal, I hope we avoid the sort that Chisholm produced against Saints in the last regular season SL game.

Briscoe is dodgy around his own try line under any sort of pressure.

When I saw us play Leeds at Headingley, we scored on the flanks for fun in the first half. Dixon skinned Ryan Hall twice. He has a tendency to come in early to shut down the play when the fullback joins the line. If Ken Sio holds his line out wide, it could be quite productive until they make the necessary adjustment, which they often seem to do.

Their biggest advantage over us is they have forwards who can offload at will, break the line with supported runs or short passes. Also Rob Burrow is a legend. Then mayhem.

Re: 17 for Wembley : Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:26 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

Mantallato caught everything in the semi because for some reason Warrington kicked to him every time not because he was covering for Dixon

The 'some reason' was Rovers aggressive midfield defence and line speed forcing Wire to hurriedly put in nothing kicks spraying anywhere and everywhere.

Or maybe Wire just thought it was a good idea to kick to Mantellato & Sio instead of Dixon, seems unlikely surely?