Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 4:38 am  

Sick of hearing rubbish about how Minns was in a bad place. He said he took the stuff on mothers day because he was upset about his mam which I don't doubt as ive lost both my parents so I get how he feels. But the worst thing and this is what I detest is that he used mothers day as an excuse which gets to me big style. Edit, MR, potential libel. Now I'm hearing from some one who sponsored us and a player that he will get 6 months because of compassionate grounds. I'm honest in that I hope he never plays for us again. A lot of fans agree and disagree, but what is funny is that if he played especially for Edit, MR, excessively aggressive insult. you would all want him to have a life ban.

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 7:28 am  

Cocaine metabolites detectable several weeks after being taken ,so Minns story plausible.
Not condoning and acknowledge he's a professional sportsman but he's a 23 year old whose good at rugby not necessarily at making sensible decisions off the field ? I still don't and I'm over 60

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 7:39 am  

No.
No matter who he played for it think that a 2 year ban is appropriate.
Having lost my mom 2 years ago, I understand what he's going through. And he has my sympathies. Never having taken drugs I can't say if it works. But if I'm honest, mothers day isn't the worst day. His birthday, her birthday and days when he hears/sees a song/tv/films that reminds him of her.
Hopefully he'll have learned his lesson.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 7:55 am  

No7.David.Bishop wrote:

you would all want him to have a life ban.

I admit i’d likely be a bit more cynical about his defence. But anything more than two years would clearly be unjust, based on previous cases. As would, at the other end of the spectrum, the 6 months you mention.

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 9:21 am  

Historically we ( RL) don't have a great record regards substance misuse (alcohol in particular) my generation almost boastful of players whose consumption was legendary
without acknowledging the long long term effects of alcohol had on these individuals? Perhaps if we should be less ready to condem and more prepared to address the wider issues through education/support etc.The 'State of mind' initituative a great example of how the sport can address a previously taboo subject what's RL doing re substance abuse?

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 11:04 am  

No7.David.Bishop wrote:

Sick of hearing rubbish about how Minns was in a bad place. He said he took the stuff on mothers day because he was upset about his mam which I don't doubt as ive lost both my parents so I get how he feels. But the worst thing and this is what I detest is that he used mothers day as an excuse which gets to me big style. Edit, MR, potential libel. Now I'm hearing from some one who sponsored us and a player that he will get 6 months because of compassionate grounds. I'm honest in that I hope he never plays for us again. A lot of fans agree and disagree, but what is funny is that if he played especially for Edit, MR, excessively aggressive insult. you would all want him to have a life ban.

sick of hearing rubbish were from i have not heard that much ? ime sorry but i think he will learn his lesson he's done wrong and knows that i hope he comes back stronger do you think the wigan fans will be bothered about hardaker ?

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 12:17 pm  

Treble99 wrote:

sick of hearing rubbish were from i have not heard that much ? ime sorry but i think he will learn his lesson he's done wrong and knows that i hope he comes back stronger do you think the wigan fans will be bothered about hardaker ?

Yes some Wigan fans will be bothered about hardaker most will not but that does not mean he should be back playing neither should minns

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 1:08 pm  

When considering bans I assume the RFL differentiate between drugs used recreationally and those used solely for performance enhancing ( e.g Anabolic steroids) as well as previous history and mitigation ,to suggest a (23 year old) 1st time positive should receive a life ban for recreational use? seems excessive

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 2:12 pm  

If he has any sense he'll use any excuse he can to get a lighter ban I don't really believe his excuse but understand why he's using it as for the opening poster I remember the real David Bishop and believe me he definitely wasn't an angel away from the field far from it

[Mild Rover]

Re: Does Minns think were mugs??? : Tue May 01, 2018 2:45 pm  

Kenty wrote:

When considering bans I assume the RFL differentiate between drugs used recreationally and those used solely for performance enhancing ( e.g Anabolic steroids) as well as previous history and mitigation ,to suggest a (23 year old) 1st time positive should receive a life ban for recreational use? seems excessive

I can't speak for Someday, but some people think illegal drug use of any sort is very wrong, and believe harsher punishments are appropriate.

Based on precedent, which seems fairest to me, 2 years or (like Hardaker) a little less is what he'll get. UKAD obviously can't go around significantly changing tariffs retrospectively - although, I suppose you can argue that they're showing some flexibility in cases like Hardaker's.