: Mon May 04, 2009 7:09 pm  

chubbs1981 wrote:

but i hope your hostility is equally directed towards quins.

Read my post - I have no hostility! I just can'tbe @rsed!

Firefly-half wrote:

Fev fan,

How was a NL club passed over to allow us in?

WE were a NL club. We started in NL2, won promotion to NL1, then finished second in the year which the RFL had stated AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON that ringfencing of the Superleague was to take place.

You finished 2nd in a comp that every other promotee had to win!!!
With a team of players unavailable to the rest of the comp!

Firefly-half wrote:

But still people like the bigot flat capper skull capper GayEden claim we've been 'gifted' our position.
We could have made it into SL in 2012 and STILL the flat cappers would whinge that we'd 'kept out' a 'traditional' club.
Hell if SL became 30 strong and we were one of the 30 they'd STILL be moaning about us.
Quite frankly, most fans in superleague are supportive of expansion and see the sense in our inclusion.
To the remaining bitter flat cappers :

again - read the post!!! As I keep saying I am not bitter towards the Crusaders club, tho your lack of empathy and a simliar lack of understanding from some of your cohort doesn't exactly endear you to those 'angry fans' of NL clubs being excluded from SL..
What I am asking is "ganedens" caustic comments have a level of real concern that is whispering away throught he RL network. i.e. Is the project working, how is success evaluated and at what price?
And more appropriately, will the game gorw on a sustainable basis in wales? I believe there is a case for examining the preliminary evidence now! You don't. I'll live with the difference of opinion. It's not like it's going to change owt either way!

: Mon May 04, 2009 7:38 pm  

ok point taken about hostility but to reword my saying do you have the same ambivelence towards quins.

as for empathy towards the flat cappers do i have any yes i do. i like to consider myself a student of the game. (both codes) as a southerner born and bred its very difficult for me to see any league at all other than summer conference and or sky which i don't have. its great to have a team "locally" (163 miles away) to go and watch. thats an option i'd never have if another team got in. was i a cru fan when they joined SL no. i only went to watch them cos it was the game played at its highest level (well by the oppostition) and i like to watch and study the skill levels.

i appreciate that a handful of people like me is nothing of interest compared to a few thousand NL fans but with all due respect to them if they wanted to see the game at its highest level for the enjoyment of watching the game there is plenty of teams locally to watch.

you all let your tribal loyalties get infront of what matters being able to see top quality RL.

: Mon May 04, 2009 7:47 pm  

chubbs1981 wrote:

do you have the same ambivelence towards quins.

Yes, TBH I do!

chubbs1981 wrote:

i appreciate that a handful of people like me is nothing of interest compared to a few thousand NL fans but with all due respect to them if they wanted to see the game at its highest level for the enjoyment of watching the game there is plenty of teams locally to watch.

But they're not my team. The team I've supported since 1973! Why would I want to watch anyone else?? It's the team I grew up with since being 12!
If there was no more Fev, me and rugby league would part company!

: Mon May 04, 2009 8:00 pm  

so your not interested in the game of RL?

: Mon May 04, 2009 9:03 pm  

chubbs1981 wrote:

so your not interested in the game of RL?

Of course I am. How do you presume otherwise?
But until the RFL/SL ends the sporting apartheid it has against the rest of the game outside SL, - I really don't/won't give a toss about the top tier of the game.

I've never been to a SL game, I won't have sky and I will not support SL in any way.
I always said I'd never subscribe to a SL club's forum either, but as this thread has some relevance to my thoughts and feelings I've made an exception.

[tb]

: Tue May 05, 2009 4:18 pm  

Thread tidied.

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: Tue May 05, 2009 4:40 pm  

Woah and I wasn't involved in this one

: Tue May 05, 2009 5:21 pm  

I'm more interested in venting my spleen about the rugby, and all associated comments!

Racism is deeply ignorant and is not worthy of any response - hence, it didn't get one from me!

Still, I'm a morngy old git!!

: Tue May 05, 2009 6:08 pm  

glee wrote:

GanEden says that time will prove that Rugby League won't work again in Taffyland. Actually time is on the side of the Welsh to prove him wrong.
Why do I say that. Well a couple of weeks ago the Gillette National Youth League Grand Final was won by Celtic Crusaders who beat Leigh Miners Rangers. So at what level will all those players be at in a couple of years time.In addition to that particular game, Rugby League is now being played and enjoyed at many schools right across South Wales. Won't many of those young lads want to carry on playing when they leave school.
I hope that Celtic do start winning a few games. But even if they don't they will have learned a lot from their first season at the very highest level of Rugby League in the northern hemisphere and this will surely help them prepare for their second season. And they will also know that there are many League fans up North wishing them well for the future too.

The thing is South Wales has produced many good RL players over the years and will continue to do so

That is not the problem

The problem is that not enough people over the years have been interested enough to pay to watch them play RL

That is the problem

In fact getting people to pay to watch is much harder than finding players to play , you only have to look at many other clubs to see that

: Tue May 05, 2009 6:19 pm  

Hi Fev fan, whilst put in the most antagonistic way possible (as you'd expect from trolling) I'm happy to answer the questions

Would we like to see more fans at a game? Obviously yes, who wouldn't - but the average attandance thus far is 4372 (a point Ganeden chose not to make) and given the distance to travel to Bridgend we need a strong home support to show the game is capable of developing.

Do I think we can make it in Super League? Judge us after this time next year but good signs in terms of developing youth teams that will auger well for the future (granted not the near future)

How do we compare against NL teams? If we'd been around for a 100 years not so well but given that we've only been around for three, we lack the heritage and geography of the NL teams (i.e. not around the M62), that said if you look at what has been developed over the last three years compared to some of the teams that have been around for a lot longer I don't think we're better than all but look how far we've come in such a short space of time. The argument regarding how the RL has helped us is valid in some ways but can we all wait for a 100 years to be accepted and develop SL? I don't think so do you?

And the biggest question of all....... do we want to win a game? Too bloody right. Really nice of opposition fans to compliment us on how good we are but there's nothing better than two points to prove that is there?