Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:43 pm  

Grendel, I can't see how you can calling buying something off somebody that wants to sell stealing?

Samuel wanted rid and nobody else other than Moss wanted to buy for the going rate. Simple as that really. It wasn't stealing and with nobody willing or able to take the club in South Wales it can hardly be called stealing.

Takeover, yes, relocation, yes, stealing, hardly. For a club to be stolen it has to be taken from somebody that owns it. Samuel owned it and willingly sold it to Moss. Nobody in South Wales wanted to take the club on. To be fair, the crowds and interest towards the end of the season couldn't have helped. If the club had been more professional off the field and marketed better who knows but it is all ifs, buts and maybe's.

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:58 pm  

It's EASY to call it stealing Cru.

The club was bought, shut and "reopened" (IE A NEW CLUB FORMED) 150 miles away, with the MINIMUM connection to the original club possible that still allows the new club to use our franchise.

May not be theft in the legal sense, but as AJH could tell you (if he could actually be honest with himself) "legal" has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Morally it is theft.

If Moss was so hell bent on having his own RL club up in Wrexham, why didn't he just form one? Oh yeah, that's right, FAR easier to steal ours, shut it and replace it in SL with a barely recognisable replacement.

Without Moss, Samuel would have sold to BFL (or lose ALL his money) and the team would still be in its real home.

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:47 pm  

How would they have sold to BFL as I understand it they would only have taken the club without the debt which would not have been allowed to happen.

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:16 pm  

He cannot accept the club has been sold to someone in North Wales rather than Given to Someone in South Wales

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:54 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

He cannot accept the club has been sold to someone in North Wales rather than Given to Someone in South Wales

Nail - head

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:32 pm  

crucrucrusaders wrote:

Grendel, I can't see how you can calling buying something off somebody that wants to sell stealing?

Samuel wanted rid and nobody else other than Moss wanted to buy for the going rate. Simple as that really. It wasn't stealing and with nobody willing or able to take the club in South Wales it can hardly be called stealing.

Takeover, yes, relocation, yes, stealing, hardly. For a club to be stolen it has to be taken from somebody that owns it. Samuel owned it and willingly sold it to Moss. Nobody in South Wales wanted to take the club on. To be fair, the crowds and interest towards the end of the season couldn't have helped. If the club had been more professional off the field and marketed better who knows but it is all ifs, buts and maybe's.

This is where we all have a big problem


Who owns a sports club ?

The person running it ?

Or the people watching it ?

Sports clubs are ' owned ' by the fans , they exist because of the fans , for the fans

So Grendal does have a point , the Wrexham club is not his club , but it has taken his clubs position within the sport , ' His club ' Has been stolen , it has had it's identity taken from it

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:35 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

He cannot accept the club has been sold to someone in North Wales rather than Given to Someone in South Wales

So if Dave Whelan had sold W1g4n to the owners of say Coventry football club , you would have been ok with that , because if he had , the RFL would not have stopped him

You of course would then have started to support Leigh

That is basically what has happened to the Celtic Crusaders , which was Grendels club , not Leighton Samuels club , he never owned it

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:57 pm  

Starbug wrote:

So if Dave Whelan had sold Wigan (seeing you cannot spell it) to the owners of say Coventry football club , you would have been ok with that , because if he had , the RFL would not have stopped him

You of course would then have started to support Leigh

That is basically what has happened to the Celtic Crusaders , which was Grendels club , not Leighton Samuels club , he never owned it

If it Wigan being saved from going down the pan yes i would be happy. At least i would have a club to watch.

And there would be no Rugby league clubs if they just had to be run on supporters contribution. Without rich people buying the clubs and pumping money into them we would have no teams to watch.

Speaking of Leigh i hope they do well this year but unfortunately will have to do without my support this year as i cannot afford more than 2 season tickets. This year its Wigan and Crusaders i have not renewed my Leigh season ticket.

Re: A sell out likely : Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:06 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

If it Wigan being saved from going down the pan yes i would be happy. At least i would have a club to watch.

And there would be no Rugby league clubs if they just had to be run on supporters contribution. Without rich people buying the clubs and pumping money into them we would have no teams to watch.

Speaking of Leigh i hope they do well this year but unfortunately will have to do without my support this year as i cannot afford more than 2 season tickets. This year its Wigan and Crusaders i have not renewed my Leigh season ticket.

So you suggest that if the club presently known as W1g4n Warriors were to relocate to Coventry and then be known as the ' Warriors ' , with a new management , new coach , new players , playing in green and black stripes they would still be your club ?

And you would travel to Coventry to watch them as you currently do ?

Yeah right

Re: A sell out likely : Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:21 am  

For Grendel it obviously still hurts bitterly, the loss of the club from South Wales as it does myself.
But we have to move on , the NEW CLUB in Wrexham shares very little resemblance to the one that existed
in South Wales for it is a NEW CLUB, that happens to share some personnel from the club based in Bridgend. In time it will hopefully form an identity unique to the local area and spread the gospel of RL.

I will follow the progress of Crusaders RL in Wrexham from South Wales, as they are the Welsh representative in Super League (for now atleast) ,but I cannot follow them in the way I supported the Celtic Crusaders, financially or otherwise .

The South Wales Scorpions are the way forward for RL in South Wales now ,all our energy must go into this,
mine and many others will , and I hope Grendel and other fans of Welsh Rugby League will do the same. Hopefully we'll get it right this time.

As an aside .....I SEE OUR U18s BEAT THE ENGLISH AGAIN ON THURSDAY EVENING!!!