: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:10 pm  

Hedgehog King wrote:

No, they were picture framers who only played SL in their spare time for free.

whatever but they were hardly the source of some crafty income for samuels as was being suggested. the guy has ploughed lots of money into the sport whatever anyone thinks of him.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:10 pm  

DemonUK wrote:

Open your eyes JBUK

my eyes are open thanks.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:18 pm  

Hedgehog King wrote:

No, you didn't. You were adamant that anyone who predicted poor crowds, LS being unreliable with his cash or that Crusaders were likely to relocate and rename themselves was a flatcapper.

Yet they all happened.



Difficult - yes
Impossible - no

League survived the loss of Paris St Germain and even managed to keep growing despite this. No disrespect to the Bridgend / Newport area but Paris you are not.

If the worst comes to the worst and rugby league ceases to be a pro sport in Wales, the game will move on without Wales just as it moved on without Paris.

yeah yeah just make it up as you go along. there is a difference between making reasonable predictons, whether optimistic or pessimistic and the blind hatred we have had to endure over the last few years. i have never had any problems with people from the heartlands showing concern over the nature and inherent risk of expansion.

i have always argued that the risk was worth the benefits. to argue otherwise s obviously not being a flatcapper. i restrict that term to people who believe that there is some bizzarre inherent inability for people in other areas to enjoy the sport and become seriously invested in it. these are two distinct arguments.

the world has moved on massively from the time of psg. union has got into top gear and anyone who believes we can sit still and that will not have a serious maybe even fatal impact on out sport is the really deluded one.

stayng in the m62 corridor is death

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:28 pm  

jannerboyuk wrote:

yeah yeah just make it up as you go along. there is a difference between making reasonable predictons, whether optimistic or pessimistic and the blind hatred we have had to endure over the last few years. i have never had any problems with people from the heartlands showing concern over the nature and inherent risk of expansion.

Yes, you have. You still do.

i have always argued that the risk was worth the benefits. to argue otherwise s obviously not being a flatcapper. i restrict that term to people who believe that there is some bizzarre inherent inability for people in other areas to enjoy the sport and become seriously invested in it. these are two distinct arguments.

the world has moved on massively from the time of psg. union has got into top gear and anyone who believes we can sit still and that will not have a serious maybe even fatal impact on out sport is the really deluded one.

You thought it was worth the risk and so presumably you are enjoying the current mess.

Personally I don't.

I wanted expansion into Wales and it has seemingly been thrown away by reckless idiots.

stayng in the m62 corridor is death

Cliched rubbish, the game is enjoying a boom in non-traditional areas such as Essex (piece in the Independent last week no less).

It is also played in France, New Zealand, Australia, Papua New Guinea and the Pacific Islands and to some extent Spain, the USA, Serbia, the Cazech Republic et alia.

It would be nice for Wales to be on that list but it's massively overstating things to say that Bridgend or even Newport were the difference between survival and oblivion.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:29 pm  

jannerboyuk wrote:

whatever but they were hardly the source of some crafty income for samuels as was being suggested. the guy has ploughed lots of money into the sport whatever anyone thinks of him.

And he was given quite a bit of RFL cash into the bargain. Let's not forget that.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:42 pm  

The main pity is that when the game had support in S Wales, primarily from the councils of Cardiff and Swansea in the 90's the RFL backed out leaving much bad feeling. Regarding the present, incidentally very easy to predict when you know the answers, was not to strengthen the side when they went into Super League. It is impossible to attract new supporters when the team is always losing, this is very much reflected in the crowd figures for the Crusaders.
It amuses me that people love having a go at the club about players on incorrect visas, which is exactly what other non super league clubs were doing. Unfortunately only Crusaders were the only club left with players prior to the 2009 season who had played on these contracts. Apparently one other club still had oneleft but not enough high profile to matter for the powers that be.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:09 pm  

According to the Crusaders website Season tickets are on sale.

For 10 matches at Newport & 3 on the road.

Surely if they were going to move to Wrexham then they would stop selling these.

I think a lot of that Guardian piece is rumour.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:45 pm  

dids858 wrote:

According to the Crusaders website Season tickets are on sale.

For 10 matches at Newport & 3 on the road.

Surely if they were going to move to Wrexham then they would stop selling these.

I think a lot of that Guardian piece is rumour.

Excellent news

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:13 pm  

Not like you guys to be negative about us!! My parents just bought two seasons tickets and they were informed by the club that they will be playing 10 home games at Newport one in Wrexham and two other games on the road probably in west wales. Swansea and neath or Llanelli are they most likely venues. We will not be playing every home game at Wrexham.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:15 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. The RFL has consistently supported and encouraged the growth of Celtic Crusaders.

So? Who do you think supported the original Gateshead and the original Sheffield? Why, the RFL of course! But then they changed their agenda and decided that Hull was going downhill rapidly and so merged the Gateshead team with the Hull team to save Hull, and ditto for Sheffield with Huddersfield (I think it was). Gateshead were pulling in a few thousand in those early days but all those fans were just dumped by the RFL. The same is happening in South Wales. The RFL has changed its agenda - new stadia, new stadia, new stadia - and the fans in South Wales are being dumped. If the Crusaders move north I am fairly sure they will die. If they stay where they are, as they should do IMO, then they have a good chance of survival because a lot of groundwork has been done and once they start having some success on the field, the fanbase will grow. But all this uncertainty will do nothing for the chances of RL in South Wales. In fact, it just makes the RFL look like the bunch of clueless amateurs they are. I don't think for one minute the club would have considered moving out of Bridgend until they absolutely had to (to make way for a new stadium there) without the pressure from the RFL and their bloody new stadia agenda. Idiots.