FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - A call to arms to support Welsh RL
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member2315No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Sep 15 00:0623rd Mar 15 16:02LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

A call to arms to support Welsh RL : Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:24 pm  
If ever there was a clarion call to the rugby league world to get behind the expansion of the game into Wales, it is this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/celtic_crusaders/7876091.stm

So, the WRFU wants to steal league's best players.

This shouldn't be a surprise... anyone who's read Clive Woodward's book 'Winning' knows that Union wants our elite athletes. So far, we've not suffered too badly on the pitch. We lost Jason Robinson in his prime, but Iestyn Harris, Andy Farrell, Henry Paul and Lesley Vainakolo had passed their peak before switching codes, and none has really achieved too much in the 15 man code. Indeed, younger players like Chav Walker and Karl Price didn't last long in the more technical other game.

The Ozzies have suffered more - Rodgers, Sailor, Toquiri and Gasnier all migrating to the money and global exposure of Union. Indeed, in the UK we have missed out primarily on a generation of coaches... Edwards, Lydon, Betts, Ford, Griffiths, and Ellis, amongst others.

Its noticable that the successful league-to-union converts are all backs... the technical demands of rucking, mauling, lineouts and the set piece are, like religion, mysteries that one is born into, else one struggles to see the point of the intricacy and ritual. But this is why welsh development is more vulnerable to Union raiders. If/as/when Welsh kids start filtering through Crusaders Colts into the first squad, they will most likely have been bloodied into the Union game at junior level, too.

There will always be players who find the open spaces and genuine collision of league more enjoyable than Union, and I suspect Iestyn Harris is right, that once Crusaders are established they will have a particular draw of their own in partial immunisation against Union's money.

But if ever there was a reason to work towards the success of the latest and best-supported (by the RFL and independent finance) bid to establish top-line league in England's nearest nation, then this is it.

There are those, myself included, who felt that Crusaders' franchise bid was weaker than that of some heartland clubs, and that the RFL would have been wiser just to declare openly that Wales was getting the nod for expansionist reasons. Well, what's done is done, and now it has been done it HAS to work. So we all need to work together to bring success.

I'd welcome the thoughts and opinions of those on the ground in Wales, and also would add my encouragement to the welsh league followers to get involved, not just as a spectator and de-facto marketeer for Crusaders (although that too...), but to get your hands dirty with the amateur and junior game... get coaching badges, do referees courses, join the committee of the local amateur club, or start another side in the fledgling Welsh conference.

Go buy your goods from the companies that sponsor Crusaders (and the amateur teams), and make sure they know the reason you've gone to them. Put up match posters at work. Get your mates along to Brewery Field. Think 'league', and push the game in whatever way you can.

Travelling fans should make the effort to get down to their away games in Bridgend. It may not be the capital or the South of France, but it damn well needs the clicks on the turnstyle and the cash in the bank, so make that your first choice away fixture.

Union is fine, if you like that kind of thing (personally I can take it or leave it). But this thinly-veiled threat to try and strangle league at birth in the Valleys seems to me to suggest that Union is actually scared to death, this time, and will consequently fight dirty. We... the whole RL world... should be ready.
If ever there was a clarion call to the rugby league world to get behind the expansion of the game into Wales, it is this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/celtic_crusaders/7876091.stm

So, the WRFU wants to steal league's best players.

This shouldn't be a surprise... anyone who's read Clive Woodward's book 'Winning' knows that Union wants our elite athletes. So far, we've not suffered too badly on the pitch. We lost Jason Robinson in his prime, but Iestyn Harris, Andy Farrell, Henry Paul and Lesley Vainakolo had passed their peak before switching codes, and none has really achieved too much in the 15 man code. Indeed, younger players like Chav Walker and Karl Price didn't last long in the more technical other game.

The Ozzies have suffered more - Rodgers, Sailor, Toquiri and Gasnier all migrating to the money and global exposure of Union. Indeed, in the UK we have missed out primarily on a generation of coaches... Edwards, Lydon, Betts, Ford, Griffiths, and Ellis, amongst others.

Its noticable that the successful league-to-union converts are all backs... the technical demands of rucking, mauling, lineouts and the set piece are, like religion, mysteries that one is born into, else one struggles to see the point of the intricacy and ritual. But this is why welsh development is more vulnerable to Union raiders. If/as/when Welsh kids start filtering through Crusaders Colts into the first squad, they will most likely have been bloodied into the Union game at junior level, too.

There will always be players who find the open spaces and genuine collision of league more enjoyable than Union, and I suspect Iestyn Harris is right, that once Crusaders are established they will have a particular draw of their own in partial immunisation against Union's money.

But if ever there was a reason to work towards the success of the latest and best-supported (by the RFL and independent finance) bid to establish top-line league in England's nearest nation, then this is it.

There are those, myself included, who felt that Crusaders' franchise bid was weaker than that of some heartland clubs, and that the RFL would have been wiser just to declare openly that Wales was getting the nod for expansionist reasons. Well, what's done is done, and now it has been done it HAS to work. So we all need to work together to bring success.

I'd welcome the thoughts and opinions of those on the ground in Wales, and also would add my encouragement to the welsh league followers to get involved, not just as a spectator and de-facto marketeer for Crusaders (although that too...), but to get your hands dirty with the amateur and junior game... get coaching badges, do referees courses, join the committee of the local amateur club, or start another side in the fledgling Welsh conference.

Go buy your goods from the companies that sponsor Crusaders (and the amateur teams), and make sure they know the reason you've gone to them. Put up match posters at work. Get your mates along to Brewery Field. Think 'league', and push the game in whatever way you can.

Travelling fans should make the effort to get down to their away games in Bridgend. It may not be the capital or the South of France, but it damn well needs the clicks on the turnstyle and the cash in the bank, so make that your first choice away fixture.

Union is fine, if you like that kind of thing (personally I can take it or leave it). But this thinly-veiled threat to try and strangle league at birth in the Valleys seems to me to suggest that Union is actually scared to death, this time, and will consequently fight dirty. We... the whole RL world... should be ready.
spegs 
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach1592
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 17 200520 years324th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Jan 24 09:4019th Sep 22 10:44LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:37 pm  
The need to be able to stand on their own two feet. Simple as.
smwrff 
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 11 200816 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Sep 09 18:301st Jan 70 00:00LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:44 pm  
Considering that RL stole a whole generation of Welsh RU players back in the 80s and 90s, I think it is a bit hypocritical to start complaining of a reverse player drain....
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach6035No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 16 200420 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
20th Dec 18 06:5019th Dec 18 22:15LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
on my way to save the world

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:01 pm  
smwrff wrote:
Considering that RL stole a whole generation of Welsh RU players back in the 80s and 90s, I think it is a bit hypocritical to start complaining of a reverse player drain....


You surely mean 'paid them to be professional rugby players in the only professional rugby competition in the country'. You idiot.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member2315No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Sep 15 00:0623rd Mar 15 16:02LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:39 am  
smwrff wrote:
Considering that RL stole a whole generation of Welsh RU players back in the 80s and 90s, I think it is a bit hypocritical to start complaining of a reverse player drain....


All the Welsh RU had to do was select them... we didn't stop them playing for Wales after they'd signed pro. If the WRFU had selected Davies, Quinell, Deveraux, Phillips, Bateman etc etc for the 1995 World Cup, do you think they'd have said no?

And do you think, had they done so, Wales might have done a bit better?

Union, then, was a bitter, prejudiced, small-minded sport (at the top... the players have always been just like any other bunch of lads). League didn't steal anyone, union shunned them.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 25 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to North Wales Crusaders


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Huddersfield
4025
1m
Fixtures 2025
Jake the Peg
67
7m
2024
imwakefieldt
9
10m
How many games will we win
Eastern Wild
10
17m
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
43
21m
Its all gone a bit quiet
jbuzza
21
26m
Shopping list for 2025
The games af
5579
27m
Film game
Boss Hog
5646
58m
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
Recent
2025 KIT Thread
CM Punk
4
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
New Players
jbuzza
139
1m
2024
imwakefieldt
9
2m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2593
2m
How many games will we win
Eastern Wild
10
3m
Dual Reg
Spookisback
9
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63226
3m
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
3m
Film game
Boss Hog
5646
3m
Its all gone a bit quiet
jbuzza
21
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
imwakefieldt
9
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Eastern Wild
10
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
TF and the w
13
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
43
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
581
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
537
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1280
England's Women Demolish The W..
1109
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1350
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1137
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1405
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1939
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2153
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2396
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1963
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2201
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2667
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2098
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2170
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Huddersfield
4025
1m
Fixtures 2025
Jake the Peg
67
7m
2024
imwakefieldt
9
10m
How many games will we win
Eastern Wild
10
17m
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
43
21m
Its all gone a bit quiet
jbuzza
21
26m
Shopping list for 2025
The games af
5579
27m
Film game
Boss Hog
5646
58m
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
Recent
2025 KIT Thread
CM Punk
4
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
New Players
jbuzza
139
1m
2024
imwakefieldt
9
2m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2593
2m
How many games will we win
Eastern Wild
10
3m
Dual Reg
Spookisback
9
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63226
3m
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
3m
Film game
Boss Hog
5646
3m
Its all gone a bit quiet
jbuzza
21
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
imwakefieldt
9
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Eastern Wild
10
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
TF and the w
13
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
43
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
581
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
537
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1280
England's Women Demolish The W..
1109
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1350
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1137
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1405
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1939
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2153
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2396
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1963
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2201
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2667
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2098
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2170


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!