Forward passes and all that : Mon May 28, 2012 11:32 am  

On Saturday there was a blatant forward pass by a Hull KR player (forget who) form which they scored a try and possibly denied Hull FC a win. OK from where the ref was I could (just about) accept that he didn't see it go forward. What about the TJs though - surely one of them saw it and could have have let the ref know. Or what about the TV ref - surely he also could have had a word in the ref's ear. If we have technology available, as it was at the Magic Weekend, why not use it to the full.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Mon May 28, 2012 11:59 am  

They don't show up well on the telly.

They would do if you altered the rule to the receiver being behind the passer at the moment the ball is received. Which would amount to pretty much the same thing.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Mon May 28, 2012 12:42 pm  

Leeds scored a try off a big forward pass too, Webb to McGuire. I was right in line with it.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Mon May 28, 2012 4:15 pm  

greybeard1 wrote:

On Saturday there was a blatant forward pass by a Hull KR player (forget who) form which they scored a try and possibly denied Hull FC a win. OK from where the ref was I could (just about) accept that he didn't see it go forward. What about the TJs though - surely one of them saw it and could have have let the ref know. Or what about the TV ref - surely he also could have had a word in the ref's ear. If we have technology available, as it was at the Magic Weekend, why not use it to the full.

Absolutely diabolical decision. Everyone in the ground saw it apart from the officials apparently.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Mon May 28, 2012 5:21 pm  

Only just seen the HKR one, outrageous!

Re: Forward passes and all that : Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:41 am  

If I remember rightly they show a picture from behind the Hull tryline and Ganson has an unobstructed view. How hw gave the try only he knows. I remeber Brian Carney in bewilderment at how the try was awarded. As soon as the pass from Webb to Maguire was made you could see it was well forward. It's now getting beyond a joke. Remember the days when league fans would ridicule union for the number of tries scored off forward passes? Maybe it's time to alter the rules so that the ball HAS to be passed backwards rather than not forwards.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:49 am  

deluded pom? wrote:

If I remember rightly they show a picture from behind the Hull tryline and Ganson has an unobstructed view. How hw gave the try only he knows. I remeber Brian Carney in bewilderment at how the try was awarded. As soon as the pass from Webb to Maguire was made you could see it was well forward. It's now getting beyond a joke. Remember the days when league fans would ridicule union for the number of tries scored off forward passes? Maybe it's time to alter the rules so that the ball HAS to be passed backwards rather than not forwards.

If the ref has an obstructed view he has to give the try. It's up to the TJs to advise him.

The problem with changing the interpretation of the law as you suggest is that you'd have to slow the game down to a crawl at times as basic physics means that a player travelling at any kind of pace will throw the ball forwards to a teammate running behind him. There's a video on youtube that shows this very clearly.

Or you'd always have to attack from so deep that a modern defence would prevent nearly all go-forward.

Alternatively, why not have TJs who recognise a blatant forward pass when they see one?

Re: Forward passes and all that : Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:39 am  

tim2 wrote:

Alternatively, why not have TJs who recognise a blatant forward pass when they see one?

Couldn't agree more. We see forward passes at just about every game but I do not recall a TJ flagging for one. Is it within their remit? If not it certainly should be.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:32 am  

tim2 wrote:

If the ref has an obstructed view he has to give the try. It's up to the TJs to advise him.

The problem with changing the interpretation of the law as you suggest is that you'd have to slow the game down to a crawl at times as basic physics means that a player travelling at any kind of pace will throw the ball forwards to a teammate running behind him. There's a video on youtube that shows this very clearly.

Or you'd always have to attack from so deep that a modern defence would prevent nearly all go-forward.

Alternatively, why not have TJs who recognise a blatant forward pass when they see one?

I'd go for the receiver being behind the passer option. No real effect on the speed of the game.

Re: Forward passes and all that : Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:08 am  

greybeard1 wrote:

Couldn't agree more. We see forward passes at just about every game but I do not recall a TJ flagging for one. Is it within their remit? If not it certainly should be.

You'll not see one flagging. In Super League, they'll use comms. In the Championships they might use comms or the forward pass signal (if the ref looks at them) which is the flag held vertically on the chest.