Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:13 pm  

easthullwesty wrote: Equality of opportunity or outcome. It makes it harder no doubt, but certainly not impossible. There are cultural issues within these communities that compound racial problems that they no doubt experience. But again, what structures are in place specifically to keep black people down? It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.

easthullwesty wrote: Equality of opportunity or outcome. It makes it harder no doubt, but certainly not impossible. There are cultural issues within these communities that compound racial problems that they no doubt experience. But again, what structures are in place specifically to keep black people down? It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:51 pm  

OmneFC wrote: It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone. If the Blacks in particularly London stopped carry weapons,stabbing people,robbing pedestrians using motor scooters,and recruiting young kids to deal their drugs then im certain the stop and search percentage would come down drastically.Until then there is only one way it is going and thats up. With regard to employment it should always be the best candidate for the job. I agree its more difficult for a Black people in certain areas of employment but that doesnt mean that we should fast track Blacks into positions for the wrong reasons. Its not so long ago that media news channels like Sky and the BBC fast tracked Muslims into high profile positions and the same will now probably apply to Blacks. That in my opinion is wrong.

OmneFC wrote: It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone. If the Blacks in particularly London stopped carry weapons,stabbing people,robbing pedestrians using motor scooters,and recruiting young kids to deal their drugs then im certain the stop and search percentage would come down drastically.Until then there is only one way it is going and thats up. With regard to employment it should always be the best candidate for the job. I agree its more difficult for a Black people in certain areas of employment but that doesnt mean that we should fast track Blacks into positions for the wrong reasons. Its not so long ago that media news channels like Sky and the BBC fast tracked Muslims into high profile positions and the same will now probably apply to Blacks. That in my opinion is wrong.

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:11 pm  

OmneFC wrote: It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone. The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.

OmneFC wrote: It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone. The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:36 pm  

IR80 wrote: The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative. Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf

IR80 wrote: The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative. Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:40 pm  

IR80 wrote:

The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.

[Mild Rover]

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:29 pm  

IR80 wrote:

The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.

Just out of curiosity, what do you regard as centrist or, failing that, legitimate news sources?

The founder of the Manchester Guardian was a mill owner who bought cotton from slave plantations, rather than being a slave owner himself. According to Wikipedia, anyway. Possibly a fine distinction, but an example of how central to the British economy the profits of slavery were at that time.

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:13 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what do you regard as centrist or, failing that, legitimate news sources?

The founder of the Manchester Guardian was a mill owner who bought cotton from slave plantations, rather than being a slave owner himself. According to Wikipedia, anyway. Possibly a fine distinction, but an example of how central to the British economy the profits of slavery were at that time.

That is the problem now M.R, there is no centrist or legitimate news, they all have editorial slant and leanings toward where the funds come from.

I agree 100% about the slavery issue, I just find The Guardian incredibly hypocritical, and the people that read it to be somewhat holier than thou.

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:15 pm  

OmneFC wrote: Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.

OmneFC wrote: Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:26 pm  

IR80 wrote: Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion. A lower % than trust the Guardian and BBC though interestingly https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2019-12-04

IR80 wrote: Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion. A lower % than trust the Guardian and BBC though interestingly https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2019-12-04

Re: BLM Rugby teams : Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:16 pm  

IR80 wrote: Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... h/religion [ C ] informal an activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly: Football is a religion for these people.

IR80 wrote: Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... h/religion [ C ] informal an activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly: Football is a religion for these people.