I have been a member of that club for several decades and was in the club not 60 minutes before it was burned down, and I knew personally all the people trapped in it.



The club was not burned down "by an Asian mob", but by 47 year old car wash manager and father of 6 Mohammed Ilyas. I watched him doing it on the CCTV, which survived the blaze, but don't let me stop your pig ignorant speculation.

Didums. [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-14044190some more pig ignorant speculation?[/url



Obviously, as you were so rudely interrupted during the meat raffle draw by a solitary Asian, we can only assume that the Media Reports about a hundred strong group of Asians rampaging through the Town Centre never happened?



And the rather distraught Lady from the club who at the end of the clip claimed, "THEY were going to burn us alive," was also a tad overwrought?

That number just seems so tiny.

The report briefly refers to the club being burned down which everyone knows it was. Your link is so far as I can see completely pointless. As for "didums", I'm not sure what you are trying to do there other than reduce a serious discussion to childish levels.





I already said I wasn't in the club at the time, but I already knew your powers of comprehension are limited. The activities of the club were not interrupted by "a solitary Asian" as you weirdly believe but by being smack in the middle of one of the most serious civil disturbances this country has seen. Is the distinction hard for you to grasp?









If lunatic assumptions are your thing, certainly.

It does, by the time the man who burned down the club was convicted, the estimate had gone up to £27m. It is probably a good estimate, as the way it works is the police pay for all the damage, so by that stage a reasonable tally would have been available.

Did they not completely destroy a BMW garage and all the new cars in it?

"Everybody Knows" A rather sweeping generalisation don't you think? The level of debate to be heard in a school playground perhaps? if you take the time to actually read my OP, I prefaced it with the words "As I recall" which should indicate that I was indeed speculating about a written Media article, and not offering up some definitive proof that it was indeed your club, rather than a pub. I should of course, have simply said a licensed premises, but that would have denied you the chance to exhibit your rather strange provincial and pedantic mindset.







I think you'll find I described the club as being attacked by an Asian mob and then set on fire. Something you described in your delightful way as "pig ignorant speculation." An unfortunate reference given the ethnicity of the rioters. However, as you had already legged it, leaving all those members you claim to know personally to their fate, one wonders does one not, how you could assert with any authority, that in one post it was simply the actions of a solitary Asian male, despite the accusations being made by that Lady who remained trapped in the Club, "THEY", note the plural, "tried to burn us out," and in your next post above, agree that it was in the middle of the worst racial rioting in Yorkshire.

You appear, not for the first time on these boards, to be a tad confused.







Would I be wrong in assuming that you are a cross between Victor Meldrew and Zack Dingle, with a touch of Arthur Scargill's bon homie mixed in there somewhere?

No, I think you'll find you said:



HTH

Wasn't that Lister Park BMW dealership?



The city has never, & will never recover from those events.

That is nothing compared to the money that left Bradford and went to Leeds in respect of the Iestyn Harris crisis.

This Wright chap is still brassing it out. He appears to think that resigning from the Labour party is sufficient taking of responsibility for his failures.



Surely Theresa May has to put the infamous South Yorkshire force in some sort of special measures & remove this man.

Legally it can't be done. PCCs are her baby and she agreed the employment terms.



Unless convicted of a criminal act that carries a prison sentence, the only way he can be fired is through the ballot box.



FWIW, I reckon he'll be gone soon enough, once the size of his bung has been agreed

He seems to be putting forward the argument that he should only be judged on his time as PCC & that he is helping to fix the problems he ignored when he was cabinet member for children's services. I don't think he will go.



The idea of PPC may be a good one in principle, but the flaws in the T's & C's show they were very poorly implemented.



Plenty of political capital to be made from this next May. UKIP will accuse Labour of protecting itself at the expense of the victims, with Labour then accusing UKIP of exploiting the victims for political gain.



In the meantime, no one in the ranks of the responsible will be punished.

I don't agree with PCC's, I think they're at best unnecessary and at worst put amateurs interfering with policing and politicise the police.



But if we've got them then the principal of public election to office has to be maintained. You can't have an election and then have the person elected removed from office just because some people don't like them or don't approve of a decision.



As said, unless he's committed a serious crime then the only way he should be kicked out is via the next election.

Although I kind of agree, what happens if he (or anyone elected) is utterly useless at the job? Do we then have to wait to the next election with a potentially weakened criminal justice system in certain areas?



Bottom line is that May cocked up the rules for this, and has been hoist by her own petard. She would love to get rid of Wright (as many would as he is so damaged) but can't. Unless she wants to risk a massive claim for unfair (and possibly illegal) dismissal.

same with MP's though, can't sack them for being garbage!

I am a little surprised that no one has sought a judicial review of Sean Wright's original appointment, given the revelation that he was in charge of Children's Services before becoming the PCC

12 people arrested with 7 of them charged at this weekend's EDL march in Rotherham. That's more than in the whole 16 year duration of the highlighted abuse period.

And in other news: apples are not oranges

Wright has quit apparently

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... c-end.html Two years ago it was merely an honour killing that killed her daughter. But she's been all over the media since the Rotherham report saying that her daughter was a child abuse victim. If she can't decide whether the guy who killed her was her first love or just one of the guys who were sexually abusing her, how are the police supposed to know about it?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... c-end.html Two years ago it was merely an honour killing that killed her daughter. But she's been all over the media since the Rotherham report saying that her daughter was a child abuse victim. If she can't decide whether the guy who killed her was her first love or just one of the guys who were sexually abusing her, how are the police supposed to know about it?

Yeh, let's have a pop at a bereaved mothers whose daughter was murdered in appallingly heinous way.



Look, I haven't seen deatils of the case previously but surely it's possible to be both, and having googled a different report also in your publication of choice, it seems she almost certainly WAS groomed and a victim of child sex abuse AS WELL as being a murder victim:

A rather unpleasant story has come to light in Bradford, where the council has had to pay £160k for failing to protect a young girl raped by her own father. The news paper report skirts around the race/religion of those involved. Political correctness?

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29220535Done the right thing, finally[/url

Call me irrational if you like but I keep getting this feeling that I'd probably never invite you to a dinner party at mine.



You do seem like a particularly odious individual, probably a re-incarnation of a former poster