" dey is black*, dey is criminals*, dey are scum* " ( *delete as appropriate)





...is what you said in your strop, so while you're looking for those facts and figures on how many police committed murder and what methods they used, then maybe you could point out which one of those I should not have deleted as applicable, or why.

Black drug dealers do get treated worse than white drug dealers. How come Curtis Warren is still in prison whilst Howard Marks is out?



I agree with those people who say that if Duggan was white then he wouldn't have been shot..

Your quotes seem to put you in the bracket of dey is scum dey is crimnal school of justifying the killing of Duggan.



HTH Pet.

The crime he was committing was CARRYING A GUN. The police had information that he was on the way to shoot a rival gangster. They either stop him while he's carrying the gun, which they did, or they have zero chance of making an arrest with any chance of conviction.







But Duggan wasn't an innocent person. He was a suspected gangster, believed to be carrying a gun and on his way to murder someone.







IMO the reason Duggan was throwing that gun is because he doesn't want to be caught with the gun. If he's caught with the gun, he's going down for years. SO HE'S NOT BROADCASTING THE FACT HE'S THROWING THE GUN AWAY.



So having stopped the taxi, seeing Duggan do a runner, seen him carrying the sock (which was carrying a gun) DUGGAN WAS ALWAYS A THREAT TO SHOOT.



Even if the cops saw him throw the gun in the sock, that doesn't negate the fact he could still be carrying other weapons. He either follows the police's instructions to surrender or the police have the right to shoot him if they believe he is putting them or others at risk.







When was it safe to apprehend Duggan?



The police escalated the situation? It wasn't Duggan who had escalated the situation by carrying a gun and being on the way to shoot someone?



It was the police's fault that Duggan chose to try and do a runner when stopped by armed officers?

so you think that my opinion is that anyone with a criminal record can safely be shot ?







Why don't you just admit that you got yourself in a right old strop this lunchtime, one that Violet Elizabeth Bott would be proud to call her own and it caused you to post a meltdown style message complete with CAPS and big fonts to make it look important, if only you'd used a green crayon font then we might have even been impressed.



Don't worry about it though, we're used to you and it made us laugh a bit.

You're right. The only difference between Marks and Warren is the colour of their skins. It's got FA to do with the fact that Warren was involved in much harder drugs, was a far more violent criminal and also killed another prisoner while in jail.

Your attempt to get away from the fact that YOUR quotes indicate that you have no problem with what happened to Duggan is the issue. You talked about the =#FF0000Scum of society and live by the sword die by the sword. You can now laugh it off as a joke or that i was suggesting something that you did not mean is the funny thing.



YOUR words condemn YOUR attitude.



The use of caps and colours is to highlighyt the key points. You just seem to ignore them.



Did you post what i quoted or not, did you mean you support the police actions or not. Your posts give the answers.

LOLZ - you're getting stroppy again, of course I'm ignoring your points, we've been here before with you, you'll get all full of angst and self-righteous fluster and then stomp off in a flurry of feathers -





But to answer your question do I support the police actions, yes of course I do, as did the court, as do most people who don't throw strops and type in very large CAPS to try and make their point that the police set out to kill lots of people every year, yes of course they do - now back in your box and calm down.

Let's take a closer look at those figures.



Most of those 333 deaths in or following police custody were actually from "self-inflicted wounds, overdose, suicide or natural causes", the primary causes of death being as follows: 104 natural causes, 45 suicides, 64 overdoses, 36 injuries prior to arrest, 25 alcohol/drug related, 18 unascertained/inconclusive, 11 airway obstruction, 10 restraint related, 6 injuries during detention, 6 hypothermia, 5 'other' and 3 'not stated'. In many of these cases secondary causes were also given (ie, choking due to alcohol, hypothermia due to alcohol/drugs). In 6 cases 'restraint related' was given as a secondary cause. So, 16 restraint-related deaths.



Your figure of 86 is actually those who were restrained and later died. Not deaths that were restraint related. There's a difference.



From 1999 to 2009 (inclusive), there were 15,022,164 arrests in England and Wales. I hardly think they're bumping people off.

Lol

So in 0.0001% of arrests there might be a massive conspiracy by the police to kill people they don't like?

But even one is more than enough surely ?

So you admit i was right to link you in with those who support the Police killing people on the grounds that they are scum and criminals. Even after you denied it initially and tried to deflect attention away from yourself.







Trouble is your approach of the Police right or wrong then allkows them to get away with killing and then getting off with it people who are not criminals or scum like Colin Roach, Ian Tomlinson and Charles de menezes