Unfortunately he's going to promise the "people" what they have been convinced they want, the vast majority that would vote "out" in a referendum on Europe are closed minded little Englanders that would do it just to give "johnny foreigner" a bloody nose. It explains why Cameron doesn't want Farage involved in TV debates, he doesn't want to split his own votes.



I'm increasingly convinced that none of them, Conservative,Lib Dem or Labour are actually any better than each other, which means in the next election I can probably not vote, unless we get a Brewsters Millions "none of the above" option (and assuming whichever civil servant that orders the printing doesn't list them first!)

if only there was some way of protesting against this to make sure the 'privileged few' don't get their own way. what we need is every 4/5 years a, oh what shall we call it, an election or something where the oppressed masses can finally free themselves of the shackles that hold them. a chance for every adult to decide the fate of the country. i know, it's a crazy idea, but we have to dream.

Just the sort of smart-a[ir[/ise comment I'd expect from someone with little comprehension of how these things work. The problem is, once something has been broken up, sold for scrap and the money spent, there's little that can be done to repair it again. As Labour will discover when they try to repair the damage to the NHS, or as has already been discovered with the selling off of utilities, rail & bus transport, North Sea oil & gas, council house building etc...

governments can do pretty much whatever they like. if they want to nationalise anything they can, and indeed have done in the past. why would labour want to repair the nhs when they're the ones who kicked to door in to the private sector getting involved? capita? take your time on that one.

oh, you forgot the gold sell off too.

still you keep fighting this mythical class war. get your donkey jacket on a light a brazier or something.



who said

He might have shot himself in the foot here. I don't know of a single owner of a business involved in any way in international trade that wants us out of the EU. It's economic suicide and they know it. Many of these people are large contributors to the Conservative party.



He may end up with a happy back bench but no money to run a campaign.





I find myself seriously considering voting Green. Which is pretty worrying TBH.

So, are you saying that employment law is not necessary?

At least, I think that is what that rabid outburst was meant to convey.

I wouldn't let the vast majority of MP decide whether I should empty my cat's litter tray never mind something of this significance. The majority of MPs have little life experience outside of politics and if they were of a higher calibre they would not even be in politics.



Let's face what work experiences and specialised knowledge have any of the main party leaders got that put them in a better position to decide than the likes of Alan Sugar?

rabid outburst?

the only people who are having those think we're off back to the poorhouses/slavery if, heaven forbid, the tories give us a vote on something in 4 years. still, i'm sure there's plenty of people lining up to be the next tolpuddle martyrs.

Its like political tourettes.

That being the case, you're not actually in favour of parliamentary democracy.



As most people don't have a clue about the EU, and can't be @rsed to find out the facts, I don't see how a referendum would be much use except as a political stunt for Cameron to fob-off the UKIP tendency in his party.



Our entire constitution (monarchy, commons, lords, supreme court, etc, etc) has come about over centuries without any referenda, so why is this issue any different?

Personally, this is my main worry about this whole thing....We are putting, arguably, the most important decision in this country's future, in the hands of a huge amount of people who haven't the first clue about what they are expected to vote on.



Worryingly, for the vast majority, their decision will be hugely influenced by the likes of The Sun and The Mail - Its almost inevitable that this whole thing will turn into race/immigration issue, with the little Englanders being swayed with xenophobic rhetoric - I'm expecting plenty of anti-German, anti-French, anti-AnybodyButOurselves stuff from the majority of our popular media and I'm afraid it will become increasingly distasteful.