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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"Again, I would disagree and say that there is ample evidence.'"
Excellent. You won't have any problem linking to the peer-reviewed papers and/or scientific journals that support your claims, then.
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"So, no need for the old 'faith' malarky, then?'"
No, you need faith in Jesus in order to be saved.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"Excellent. You won't have any problem linking to the peer-reviewed papers and/or scientific journals that support your claims, then.'"
Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?'"
that's the commonly accepted definition
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?'"
It can come in many forms but pointing to something like the Turin Shroud is certainly not evidence that it once contained Jesus. All it is, is evidence of a piece of old cloth with an unusual stain on it, that if you were to squint in a strange way, you might "see" an image that resembles an arcane representation of what someone thought Christ may have looked like.
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?'"
For scientific purposes, yes.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"It can come in many forms but pointing to something like the Turin Shroud is certainly not evidence that it once contained Jesus. All it is, is evidence of a piece of old cloth with an unusual stain on it, that if you were to squint in a strange way, you might "see" an image that resembles an arcane representation of what someone thought Christ may have looked like.'"
maybe he's referring to the episode of Only Fools and Horses where the statue cries, was a miracle!
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| Just because kirkstaller (in common with a lot of other people) has his belief, that doesn't necessarily mean he is brainwashed.
He could just as easily be deluded, irrational, blinkered, illogical, needy or just plain wrong ... all without having been brainwashed.
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| well someone appears to have a sense of humour. I've just been informed that my latest follower on twitter is:
Jews for Jesus
should be fun
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"well someone appears to have a sense of humour. I've just been informed that my latest follower on twitter is:
Jews for Jesus
should be fun'"
Some years ago, I had a legacy from an elderly great aunt in Plymouth. The legacies, before the estate was shared out, included one to Bibles for Israel.
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?'"
Go on, then, just post ONE piece of your "ample evidence", to be going on with. Then we can have some fun.
Of course, you can't, so will instead either retort with some pathetic rhetorical device, or more probably as usual pretend that I have not asked you anything, in the adult equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears, or hiding under the bed.
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| The Turin Shroud I can live with, it has a stain that might look like a man, or not, and because it might look like a man doesn't mean that its the same man known from the bible as Jesus, he could have been a soft fat black man for all we know.
Anyway...
The Turin Shroud aside, when you see a Jesus face on a slice of toast - what does that mean, and why does he do things like that - to fook with the minds of the gullible ?
I bet he has a right laugh some days.
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