And Johnson said they put a ring of protection around care homes.

The clue in that statement is "Johnson said"

I want MY labour party back ,not this momentum infested turd which it has become,it needs somebody to do what Neil Kinnock did with Militant and purge the party of it,because if they dont the party will split and you wont see another Labour government again ,they need to go back to being centrist like New Labour were ,that's the only chance they have got of getting the working man and middle England back,socialists like you lot on here are pretty irrelevant in the great scheme of things, beliefs which did not work in the 60s and 70s wont work now,

Unfortunately good Mps like Caroline Flint lost their seats and we are left with the likes of Emily Thornberry ,Jonathan Ashworth, Richard Burgon et al

It's great to see some opinion from you and it makes a (very) refreshing change from the usual stuff



I dont get with how this fits with your your jibes at "wizened old socialists" though and for the record, you are miles adrift on knowing my politics, they certainly dont fit with "70's Labour" but, there you go.

My "beef" is with having the country run by a proven liar, a Tory chancer, who is without moral compass and blows with the wind so, strangely, we may have some common ground in our opinions, which has come as a bit of a surprise.



Labour made a huge mistake when they chose the wrong Miliband.

David was just what they needed at that time but, that's history and they (Labour) are still paying a very heavy price.

So what's your opinion on momentum because at the mo the Labour party is in limbo

And so your beef is about Johnson who let's face it is a clown,mine is about momentum and all this project fear opinions passed off as fact on here ,and flippant lies like ghost 99saying labour didn't campaign when clearly they did ,and odious s like Ashworth who after being caught slagging Corbyn lied through his back teeth,you see the old adage they all in the same pot rings true

They frustrate me. To some degree, you have to deal with the world as it is, rather than as you’d wish it to be if you want to get closer to the latter.



They’d rather be ideologically pure and lose, even if that means the real, country-shaping decisions are made by a person like Boris Johnson.

The have some good ideas but, their ideas will never be accepted by sufficient numbers of the voting public. I'm not a fan of theirs.

FFS, do you have a clue how political parties actually work? Have you ever actually worked on by election campaign or know what is involved?

The Lib Dems were emailing members day after day after day to get volunteers from across the country down to Chesham to doorstep, Ed Davey and most of the 11 existing MPs virtually lived in the constituency the last few weeks.

Did Labour do any of this, the real signs of a proper campaign? Nope. Did Starmer even visit the constituency? Not that I'm aware of.

Labour are obliged to field candidates in every election but there is a vast difference between running a paper candidate that fulfils that obligation and the party actively campaigning to win the seat. Labour did none of the things which a party trying to win or even compete in a seat would do, happy for the LDs to do all the running and govt bashing in this localised campaign.

"project fear" was a very clever phrase created by the Brexit brigade and so many people, including yourself have copied the mantra and been taken in by it, which is a shame.

FWIW, I firmly believe that as people and as a country, impossible as it will be to measure, we will be worse off on the outside, than we were within the EU and nothing has been said or has happened yet, to convince me otherwise.

I fully accept the ideal of being a sovereign state and admire those who believe that it's worth being poorer to have "independence".

However, this was not the main thrust of the argument, in fact, the Brexit Bus and the lies printed on the side of it, tried to make the voters believe that we would be actually saving money.

Yes, the contributions to the EU pot disappear but, the cost of trade has increased (even with a FTA).

EVERY supplier that my business has in the EU has increased prices, primarily due to increased admin and transport costs and supplies are taking longer.

Yes, there are some alternatives but, had they been more competitive we would have already been using them.

Was this "project fear" or just bleeding obvious and in the short / medium term those costs have to be absorbed or passed on, creating some inflationary pressures.

Project fear ? no, it's reality.

Of course, Bojo will blame covid for any problems in the short term but, it just isn't the case.

Yes, covid has added to some of the problems but, cost increases were already inevitable.

Surely the leaflet posted through everybodies letterbox at the tax payers expense saying that good old Gideon Osbourne would have to do an emergency budget which would cost the average household 4 grand a year if we voted to leave ,not actual leaving just votingwas the biggest lie of the lot ,that's why i didn't vote in the referendum, I could see through the bull on both sides ,how it works out post brexit is anybodies guess ,what I wont be taken in by project fear,