The unions interfered with the Milliband decision ,that's another problem that Labour have got ,the likes is Scargill, Mccluskey and Andy Gilchrist are just militants ,I did a thesis on trade unions which really opened my eyes the more I researched,self serving s the lot of em



Mind you they're Angel's compared to the American ones

If you could see through the "bull" from both sides, surely, you should have voted for the side that you "believed" and not stayed on your sofa.

It does appear that your constant use of "project fear" would suggest that one of the sides had a fair old influence on you.



Perhaps, one as worldly wise as yourself, could explain the upside to Brexit and if you would be kind enough, please put a timescale on the "good times" ahead.

What part of how it works out post brexit is anybodies guess did you not get,

Seeing through the bull means I thought both sides were lying ,and as I've said before I was pretty indifferent to in or out ,basically the arguments for and against were the opinions of economists and their flawed thinking including studies and models and dependant on who payed them

And as the saying goes opinions ar like aholes ,everybodies got one ,you made a statement that we are going to fall off a cliff because of brexit while ghost 99 wrote that we were going to be a little bit poorer for leaving ,

So out of you 2 who's right and how have you come to your opinions ,by readings somebody else's opinion and believing their views ?

Anybody's guess ??



What the hell happened to "seeing through the bull".



What you are actually saying is that you dont know which side was right, the total opposite of your own previous comment.

My opinion is that we will all be a little poorer on the outside of the EU and that my business has additional costs.

So far, this is proven to be right, in bloody spades, where do you think we are at right now and more importantly, where do you think we will be in 5 or 10 years time.

You seem to have gone back into your "wind up" mode and lost the ability to "reason".



AS I said before, I have some admiration for those who believe that "independence" is more important than money but, the "bull" that you saw through NEVER suggested that we would be worse off outside the EU and whilst some of the "leave" campaign may have been exaggerated, fundamentally, they were right.



Covid has so far masked many of the consequences of leaving but, there is NOTHING yet to suggest that "we" will be "better off", NOTHING

There wasn't a side I believed

Ah, so you just let everyone else decide your fate. That explains rather a lot.

What happened to seeing through the "bull", it actually seems that, apart from picking up a Bojo catch phrase, you couldn't see very much at all.

Like a church fete

Another insightful contribution

Nice edit

Wrencat mate, I've got nothing sensible to add to this debate so would you do me a favour and do a typo. I'd like to pick you up on it please.