Alf Ramsey wins the World Cup in 66. Gets knighted in 66.

Jock Stein wins the European Cup in 1967. Gets a CBE in 1970

Matt Busby wins the EC in 68. Gets Knighted in 68



John Barnes wins the league with Liverpool in 1998. Gets an MBE in 1998.

Bryan Robson gets the OBE in 1990 when he had 2 FA Cups in his cabinet.



There just seems to be a disparity with the honours that are quickly thrown out to Manchester United managers when they win the European Cup which other managers haven't even received after winning the EC two or three times.



Personally I think the honours system is a load of BS anyway. I think both Busby and Fergie deserve their knighthoods (although I disagree strongly with Fergie getting it straight away in 99). But seeing lightweights like Brooking and Bobby Robson receive knighthoods when giants like Shankly, Paisley and Stein receive lesser awards shows what a nonsense the system is.



Paul Elliot, Ron Greenwood and Craig Brown are CBE's.

It think you'd have better luck arguing that there was a West Ham bias...

Mind to get an honour you need to be British(ish)

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but it could be hard ..







I think it has a fair chance of being [iconsidered[/i impolite by Wayne, and that's my point. Wayne should be the one who gives you the nod to address him informally.





Sadly though as I mentioned many doctors, nurses etc., don't. Also, meeting Wayne isn't exactly a "social setting", it's more on the lines of a formal setting. If it was me, I'd tend to get in first with "Call me Ferocious", but if you presumed then I'd consider you presumptuous. But as you obviously wouldn't care, we'll leave that one.





No, I think I got this one 100% right. And unless Sir Alex, or whoever, actually KNEW the reporter (and they obviously get to know them) they would not be likely to use their name at all.





He shouldn't. Lord Sugar would be correct. "Alan" would be rude. You don't know him.



She shouldn't. It would (most likely) be "Mrs ...Whatever". Or "Nurse.. Whatever". Or just "Nurse". "Ethel" would be rude. You don't know her.

They still give honours to foreigners. Wenger, Zola, Gerrard Houllier have received honours. Pele received a knighthood, he just cannot use the title Sir.



West Ham received an abundance of honours because of the world cup winners. Can't argue with that.



Greenwood received his because he managed England. Trevor Brooking, IMO, because he's a mediocre FA man and the FA are the main body who will advise on possible recipients.

But unless Wayne is referring to me as 'Mr God', he has no right to expect me to address him as Mr Smith. Just because I happen to be tupping his daughter doesn't mean I ought to behave deferentially towards him. And if he considers a smile, a handshake and a 'nice to meet you' impolite just because I use his first name, he's not the sort of person whose opinion of me I'd particularly care about.







I disagree. Different eras, perhaps, but I'd consider it no more a 'formal setting' than I would meeting any of my girlfriend's friends, or anyone else outside of work. I'm dating Charlene, not Wayne.







Again, we'll have to agree to differ. I'd still address him as Mr Ferguson if I chose to address him formally, as I refuse to recognise the honours system in any way, shape or form.







If someone said, "Lord Sugar, this is Rock God" and he responded with "Hello, Rock", then he'd get a hearty "Hello, Alan" in return. If he said, "Hello Mr God", then I'd use "Mr Sugar". I wouldn't call him Sir or Lord for the reasons stated above.







That wasn't the point I was making (as I think you know). Let me rephrase: Why should the beardy stain get 'Sir Alan' (as was) or 'Lord Sugar', when the nurse gets Nurse Higginbottom or, away from work Mrs Higginbottom?

Not a question of "rights", though but politeness.



No, none of thse things are impolite, but he may reasonably consider use of his first name impolite. You'e already made the point that you don't give a fook, so we got that.





But he doesn't KNOW that, does he. As he doesn't know you. So only you would know why you were seemingly being a prick.





But equally pointless, as he doesn't KNOW your reasons for doing so.





No, I replied to the point I thought you were making.



Because using the CORRECT title is not "better" or "worse" but just "correct"!

It seemed like a strange thing to do straight afterwards to me too, being a professional tennis player is all about earning money to feed the entourage that will travel with you, Ivan Lendl won't come cheap for starters, most of that prize money won't be Murrays to give away.

But if he's going to be so impolite as to address me by my first name, he can't believe me to be impolite if I return the favour, can he?







I'm not sure he 'reasonably' could. In fact, I'm sure he 'reasonably' could not. If someone is polite to you in all other respects (Hello, nice to meet you, handshake, whatever), I'd say it's bloody [iun[/ireasonable to think that they were impolite because they use your first name.







A person might not KNOW my reasons for not addressing them as Sir Whatever, but it wouldn't take a genius to work it out if I was polite in all other respects.







I disagree. I don't think it's 'correct' that a person is arbitrarily awarded an inflated title based (usually) on a politician's/head of state's whim, and that we should all have to use that title when equally (more?) deserving people have to get by on plain old Mr or Mrs.

Are you serious? Unless the girlfriend introduced you by surname, how would he know it? And it shouldn't need me to tell you that expecting the father of the girl to call you "Mr. " is in normal convention just plain silly. It would be perfectly normal, expected and appropriate to use your first name. Anyway I think you actually know tgis, and are just being awkward for the sake of it.





Look, we aren;t discussing any other respects, just the (plainly) inappropriate unbidden use of the first name. Stick to the point. If you can.





No, they couldn't work it out. Because they have no additional data. It could indeed just be that you are being a prick.





But you do NOT HAVE to, ffs, why don't you get that simple point? We are discussing polite behaviour, and rudeness. Nobody ever suggested compulsion. Also silly is the suggestion that honours are "arbitrary". And I don't (at all) argue the system is, or even could be, perfect, but what did they do - pick Bradley Wiggins and Jessica Ennis with a pin out of the phone book?

Anal retentiveness!





And yes, all Scottish male born citizens should be called "Sir" by their English counterparts.

We'll skirt around that one ...

Here we go again.