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| What do you think BMW are going to do if the import tariffs from Europe hit sales?
They will simply open factories here - we have demonstrated that when it comes to vehicle manufacture the UK is as good as it gets.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"We have a strong services sector which exports.'"
What services are you talking about ??
It's to be hoped you aren't wanting to rely on the financial services sector, which currently makes a fortune from being the clearing bank for the EU. Like they will want that to carry on
The Germans will be rubbing their hands at the thought of this work moving over to the EU
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"What services are you talking about ??
It's to be hoped you aren't wanting to rely on the financial services sector, which currently makes a fortune from being the clearing bank for the EU. Like they will want that to carry on
The Germans will be rubbing their hands at the thought of this work moving over to the EU'"
I am confused this is the 5/6th biggest economy in the world but according to some on here it doesn't manufacture anything, it has no research capability, it has very limited financial services so what does it have to get to the size it is?
The financial centre in London deals with much more than just clearing for Europe - let's face e are not going to export our own clearing are we?
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Yes if the UK was the only country you could work - these top people can work anywhere in the world. To think if you put a cap here they would all just stay is naive in the extreme.'"
Except most UK plc have boards made up of a few public school educated Brits. Most would not go elsewhere as they would have to demostrate capability.
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| Quote LifeLongHKRFan="LifeLongHKRFan"So what you are saying is, if Brexit costs lots of people their jobs and homes, its ok because it may get better for the country in 7 years time?
I wonder if you would be advocating this if you lost your home tjob because of it.'"
Why do you think such a melodramatic outcome is likely? We managed over 900 years as an independent country not within the EU. Why the panic?
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| I'll vote conservative. I'm pretty lukewarm about Theresa May and indeed my local MP but the alternatives are not credible.
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| Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"I'll vote conservative. I'm pretty lukewarm about Theresa May and indeed my local MP but the alternatives are not credible.'"
And May is?
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Why do you think such a melodramatic outcome is likely? We managed over 900 years as an independent country not within the EU. Why the panic?'"
There are lots of people whose jobs depend on the EU. When that goes and if they can't get an equivalent job then that is what will happen. Saying we were fine before the EU is just a typical bury your head in the sand and hope for the best attitude. Or are you the 'I'm alright Jack so sod everyone else' type of person?
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| Quote LifeLongHKRFan="LifeLongHKRFan"There are lots of people whose jobs depend on the EU. When that goes and if they can't get an equivalent job then that is what will happen. Saying we were fine before the EU is just a typical bury your head in the sand and hope for the best attitude. Or are you the 'I'm alright Jack so sod everyone else' type of person?'"
The country has more people e,played than ever before
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| Quote LifeLongHKRFan="LifeLongHKRFan"There are lots of people whose jobs depend on the EU. When that goes and if they can't get an equivalent job then that is what will happen. Saying we were fine before the EU is just a typical bury your head in the sand and hope for the best attitude. Or are you the 'I'm alright Jack so sod everyone else' type of person?'"
The country has more people employed than ever before
and 700,000 vacancies. Not sure there is reason to worry too much. Not all jobs (if any) that 'depend' on EU will go. Depends on what is negotiated and how individual businesses react. We were told by the BBC and former Chancellor that the wheels would drop off big time just on the outcome of vote itself. They did not. There are much bigger threats to the economy than being out or in EU. It is a side-show.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Why do you think such a melodramatic outcome is likely? We managed over 900 years as an independent country not within the EU. Why the panic?'"
The thing is that, we were doing somewhat better than "managing" within the EU and regardless of anyone's views on Brexit, we have voted for "the unknown".
Of course, life goes on and it wont be the end of the world but, IF things are worse on the "outside" and/or, we have another recession, what was the point ?
Was it to be captain of the Titanic ?, all of the passengers on there, set off on a journey of discovery, on an unsinkable ship.
Ultimately the decision, voted for by a small majority (of those who could be bothered to vote) was brought about by a few disaffected right wing politicians.
Lets just hope they were right and not just on some kind of power trip.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"The thing is that, we were doing somewhat better than "managing" within the EU and regardless of anyone's views on Brexit, we have voted for "the unknown".
Of course, life goes on and it wont be the end of the world but, IF things are worse on the "outside" and/or, we have another recession, what was the point ?
Was it to be captain of the Titanic ?, all of the passengers on there, set off on a journey of discovery, on an unsinkable ship.
Ultimately the decision, voted for by a small majority (of those who could be bothered to vote) was brought about by a few disaffected right wing politicians.
Lets just hope they were right and not just on some kind of power trip.'"
What if we are better off out? Why is that so unlikely? A large part of this country's success derived from our legal system, which is being eroded by EU membership. I ask you - if you think the USA would have become so rich and powerful if it had gone the French way rather than the British a few hundred years ago. What about Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong?
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| The election just got more interesting, the right wing press - Sun, Mail, etc laying into May saying she'll increase foreign aid, stop pensions increasing, tax the middle class, etc. I suppose they're trying to force her hand on policy but surely she can't do yet another U-turn and be considered a credible leader. Corbyn should get up North and S otland on the stump and on social media. He could win yet.
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| May has called the election mainly because she will win it. She as most people agree ,know that once brexit negotiations start things will become extremely unpleasant. So she has the luxury of five years to weather the storm.
It would be ironic if she won the election with a similar majority as she enjoys at the moment. It strikes me somewhat strange that she is being criticised for brexit as a Tory ,when it's the country as a whole that's instigated brexit.
I still think leaving the EU will be a disaster, Farrage, Johnson , Liam fox plus gove and several others must be hopeful that things go well. If things go pear shape the public and the popular press will absolutely tear into them.
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| We have 23 months left to negotiate leaving the European union, and she's decided to waste 2 of those months on an election when the Tories are already in power. To me, it shows that May and the rest couldn't give a toss about the people they're meant to serve.
It's been a shambles from the government so far. All they've done is reel out the soundbite about 'strong and stable leadership' (although, they've created a 5hit load of instability by calling this election), but they've not done much talking on policy,
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| Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"We have 23 months left to negotiate leaving the European union, and she's decided to waste 2 of those months on an election when the Tories are already in power. To me, it shows that May and the rest couldn't give a toss about the people they're meant to serve.
It's been a shambles from the government so far. All they've done is reel out the soundbite about 'strong and stable leadership' (although, they've created a 5hit load of instability by calling this election), but they've not done much talking on policy,'"
Nothing will happen on negotiations until after the German election in October so I can't see that she is wasting any time. I do think something does need to be done otherwise the team doing the negotiating simply don't have any solid platform to start from.
As soon as the election is over things will settle down and then the government can get on with the business of leaving the EU with a good as deal as they can
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| Quote Dally="Dally"The election just got more interesting, the right wing press - Sun, Mail, etc laying into May saying she'll increase foreign aid, stop pensions increasing, tax the middle class, etc. I suppose they're trying to force her hand on policy but surely she can't do yet another U-turn and be considered a credible leader. Corbyn should get up North and S otland on the stump and on social media. He could win yet.'"
Corbyn will NEVER win a GE, NEVER.
Europe will play a massive part in the GE and we could see the Tories start to split (over what kind of Brexit they want) but, there is nobody else capable of running the country, which is a crying shame.
Tony Blair, who will never be forgiven for his part in the middle east conflict, at least, understood that, your party's policies have to have mass appeal (even if that meant moving to the centre of the political spectrum).
Corbyn seems to think that going back to the 1930 will be good for the country.
He is just plain deluded and is already moving to protect his position as party leader, rather than rallying centre-left political support.
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| To be fair to Jez he is proposing 4 more bank holidays to celebrate the national days of each country!  nothing like prioritising.
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| Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"We have 23 months left to negotiate leaving the European union, and she's decided to waste 2 of those months on an election when the Tories are already in power. To me, it shows that May and the rest couldn't give a toss about the people they're meant to serve.'"
It just shows that she knows her majority of 18 will be decimated if the 30 Tory MP's who are facing criminal charges over election fraud are charged; this is a cynical move designed to get the election home and hosed just before the cases go to court.
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| Corbyn typifies everything about Labour , stuck in the dark ages, jealous of anyone with success, wants a handout society funded by people that work hard. He cant even give a decent speech, press conference etc. The days of politicians "serving" anyone but themselves are long gone. Westminster would make some great appartments, move the lot to an industrial estate in Slough, then see what politicians actually want to do the job, stop paying a silly salary, imagine how much 10 Downing Street could be sold for...
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| Labour are committed to Trident but their leader will never press the button!!
So what is the point of having a perceived deterrent if it will never be used even if somebody uses on us - its bonkers.
Labour are committed to unilateral dis-armourment but Donald is thinking I'm with you Jeremy and you can Putin going that's a great idea!!
This is a party full of unrealistic idealists with a leader that doesn't actually agree with half the policies!!
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Labour are committed to Trident but their leader will never press the button!!'"
I'm not sure this is the issue that BBC journo's would like you to believe; he refuses to be drawn on stupid hypothetical questions about nuclear war, which they insist on asking him as it exposes a perceived weakness - but I think most people take comfort from a politician who is opposed to nuclear weapons, and won't glibly agree that he'll press a button to incinerate millions of people just because Andrew Marr asks him.
Interesting week for Labour - Corbyn appears to have thrown off the shackles and has been a confident and relaxed performer in the media; whilst Theresa May hides from them, refuses TV debates, and arranges closed events.
Maybe the GE will not be the unopposed landslide that some are predicting?
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| Quote Maybe the GE will not be the unopposed landslide that some are predicting?'"
Give over for God sake. He is a buffoon who has no credible policies, plans or anything of value to add. Did you see the first Labour press conference after the GE announcement? It was embarrassingly shambolic. The lady who was leading on it was comical to say the least.
One of the Labour MP's on the box this weekend said he wouldn't be inviting Jezza to his constituency, wouldn't endorse him but would fight on for Labour and try and hang on to his seat. What an absolute mess.
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| Quote Exiled down south="Exiled down south"Give over for God sake. He is a buffoon who has no credible policies, plans or anything of value to add. Did you see the first Labour press conference after the GE announcement? It was embarrassingly shambolic. The lady who was leading on it was comical to say the least.
One of the Labour MP's on the box this weekend said he wouldn't be inviting Jezza to his constituency, wouldn't endorse him but would fight on for Labour and try and hang on to his seat. What an absolute mess.'"
Nonetheless - who predicted Brexit, or Trump?
There appears to be a move towards protest, anti-establishment voting recently, and if Corbyn and his advisors keep scoring goals at May's expense as she hides from the media, you just never know.
I guess the Murdoch/Tory media will go into overdrive in the coming weeks - but stranger things have, very recently, happened!
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| TM doesn't need to come out and risk tripping herself up. As you have suggested the press will back her and she will roll out the big hitters who surround her where there is a goal to be had like she did today with Fallon on the Defence issue that Labour messed up on this weekend.
There is no chance of a Trump/Brexit result with this one. TM is seen as a steady pair of hands who can represent Britain during Brexit and on that alone she will win handsomely. She will get the UKIP support back plus in some cases Labour supporters. She isn't seen as a Eton Conservative more someone with a decent moral compass.
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