Sorry, your attempts at swerving are about as good as Roman Grosjean's. You wrote:-







So you said it was - in your view - not appropriate for them to judge or criticise you [iat all[/i.



Now you are saying that it was entirely appropriate to judge or criticise, you just are upset at the way they went about it. But what i objected to is your unqualified claim that any judgement or criticism was inappropriate [iper se[/i.



You said it. If it isn't what you meant, just say so instead of trying to pretend you wrote something else!

Show me where I have said that.







Of course, which I why I started this thread and called their behaviour inappropriate.







I honestly don't see what you're getting at here. Can you develop that point?



Also, do you want to clarify your interpretation of 'out of order'? I thought you'd do this is your reply but you obviously forgot.

Should have told the Squaddie to mind his own chuffing business kirkstaller!

Why, can't you do it yourself? Oh, I forgot, you are far too busy to spend seconds looking back in a thread. Well, here it is:









"Honestly"? Give over. Oh, go on then, you said:





Straightforward statement. Unambiguous. Judgment or criticism of non-poppy-wearers is, [iper se[/i, inappropriate.

1. You accused me of saying it is entirely appropriate to judge or criticise:







2. I asked you to show me where I had said that:







3. After the usual sanctimonious twaddle, you supplied the following quote:







Where in quote 3 did I say it was appropriate to judge non-poppy-wearers?







Like I have said numerous times, I stand by that view. The conduct of the soldiers was not admirable.



By the way, you've dodged your explanation of your interpretation of 'out of order', again

You said:





Either they can express their views, or they should not be able to.



Either they have freedom of speech (within the law), or they do not.



Therefore either it is appropriate for them to express those views, or it is inappropriate. It can't be both.



But I note that is indeed your explanation - you're now barmily claiming that they were within their rights to say what they did, but it was simultaneously also "inappropriate" for them to do so.



That is the final word on the subject as honestly the above cannot usefully have anything added to it.



Now, for some bizarre reason you keep asking me to explain what i meant by "out of order". This is another of the regular exanples of your irritating unwillingness to spend a few seconds looking back in the thread to answer your own question.







In context, that is precisely what I said, and precisely what I meant. Which word/s are you struggling with?

Isn't it an offence to try to collect for charity by doing anything more than standing passively with a collection box, or is that just a bye-law in some towns?

The whole thing is a mess. For example, "chuggers" don't need any sort of permit - as they are not collecting money, only direct debit comittments!



[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/sep/21/charity-fundraising-legal-adviceMugs Guide[/url

I usually find that a "No thank you" and a smile normally works wonders, that and the ability to continue walking onwards...

Ah yes but the reason not many do that is because then they'll think you're a twwat, and I reckon it is part of the majority genetic makeup not to be perceived as a twwat. It's a very odd thing, since why logically should you be at all bothered what random people who don't know you and who you'll never encounter again think of you? But I'm sure it's true for most folk. Many even put their posh voice on when taking a call from some totally anonymous person who hasn't a clue about you nor ever will.

Precisely, even people that I personally know think I'm a twwat so I've nothing to lose.



Going off on a tangent (who, me?) I find that the words "please" and definitely the words "thank you" get you absolutely EVERYWHERE with customer service, whether buying or selling.



But then, I am a very charming man.

As does being a KR supporter