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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"
The acid test is, "If I turned up at the college open day and this man spoke, or they handed around information based on that clap-trap, would I send my child to that college ?" and the answer is a resounding NO and I suspect that the majority would be too, a college funded in such a manner will stand or fall by its attendees and subscribers.
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The point is, it will be funded by you and I. And every other tax payer. And if the CoE become the state's largest provider of education as they plan to (seemingly with government backing), it might not be as easy as simply saying "well, I won't send my children there". What if the next nearest school is also a faith academy? Even if it's not, why should the taxpayer pay for such nonsense to be taught in our schools when belief in a deity is at an all time low. Just 3.6% of the population say that they attend a church once a month or more, and yet the church could be in a position of great influence if these proposals go ahead.
The other issue, of course, is that they're probably unlikely to preach this sort of sh*t at the open day, they'll wait until they have people enrolled their children before the full horror becomes known.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"The point is, it will be funded by you and I. And every other tax payer. And if the CoE become the state's largest provider of education as they plan to (seemingly with government backing), it might not be as easy as simply saying "well, I won't send my children there". What if the next nearest school is also a faith academy? Even if it's not, why should the taxpayer pay for such nonsense to be taught in our schools when belief in a deity is at an all time low. Just 3.6% of the population say that they attend a church once a month or more, and yet the church could be in a position of great influence if these proposals go ahead.
The other issue, of course, is that they're probably unlikely to preach this sort of sh*t at the open day, they'll wait until they have people enrolled their children before the full horror becomes known.'"
By you and me, please. Not by you and I. Did you get your C at GCSE English?
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"Well I'll hold my hand up then, both of my kids went to CofE primary and secondary schools and you know my attitude on organised religion of any kind
Why ?
Because both schools were the best available in the area.
Hypocrite ?
Yep, I can understand that accusation entirely.
Do I give a fook ?
No.
The only thing that mattered to me was that they got the best that was available at the time, if the other school in our area now surpasses the one that they went to then I'd want to send them there instead, neither school over-emphasised on religion, when they studied religion they did the whole national curriculum and studied other religions too so they weren't heavily indoctrinated into the CofE, neither of them have ever been to church since, neither of them seem phased by their experience although both of them agree that the Primary school headteacher was a bloody embarrassment every time he got his guitar out in assembly to sing happy-clappy hymns.'"
Did they get taught evolution?
This doesn't surprise when, at schools like Eton, it's compulsory to have a faith.
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| If my future children are ever required to have "a faith" to get into a school, I'll just produce the documentation that verifies them as Sith apprentices.
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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"Did they get taught evolution?
This doesn't surprise when, at schools like Eton, it's compulsory to have a faith.'"
Yes they did.
Although the head at the primary school discouraged them celebrating Halloween and listening to John Lennon's "Imagine".
On the other hand when I was at a secular primary school the teachers there discouraged us from growing our hair over our collars and wearing cowbells to school in the summer of love (1967, not some cheap imitation).
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| My son went to a church school (because it was the best available, so I'm another hypocrite  ). After the first day he came home and said he didn't like it and didn't want to go back. We asked him what was wrong and he said 'they have a dead bloke nailed on the wall', which was a full size model of Jesus on the cross.
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| Quote rover49="rover49"My son went to a church school (because it was the best available, so I'm another hypocrite
). After the first day he came home and said he didn't like it and didn't want to go back. =#0000FF:26dh04d8We asked him what was wrong and he said 'they have a dead bloke nailed on the wall', which was a full size model of Jesus on the cross.[/
I too am a hypocrite as both of my boys attend a RC primary school, again because it is the best available in my area.
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| The key question you all need to be asking is WHY faith schools are generally the best in any area?
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| Quote Dally="Dally"The key question you all need to be asking is WHY faith schools are generally the best in any area?'"
If WE all need to be asking that, you obviously know the answer. What is it?
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"If WE all need to be asking that, you obviously know the answer. What is it?'"
That's for YOU to ask YOURSELVES and decide.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"The key question you all need to be asking is WHY faith schools are generally the best in any area?'"
For the same reason that all schools with a selection policy are generally the best in any area - because as part of the selection process, even an undisclosed part of the selection process, they can select the more academically inclined, leaving the less able to be picked up by the non-selective schools - you may as well ask why grammar schools invariably had better academic results than secondary schools.
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"For the same reason that all schools with a selection policy are generally the best in any area - because as part of the selection process, even an undisclosed part of the selection process, they can select the more academically inclined, leaving the less able to be picked up by the non-selective schools - you may as well ask why grammar schools invariably had better academic results than secondary schools.'"
Is that really true of, say. Muslim schools? Jewish schools? etc?
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