But none of the gospels can be reliable, they were written centuries after the main protagonists were dead, nothing more than a huge game of Chinese whispers.

John the Apostle personally knew Jesus Christ. Most scholars concede that.

I despise drunk drivers

First we need proof that Jesus lived, then you have have to get round the fact that scholars concede John's alleged writings were not by a companion of Jesus.



Bit of work there for you.



Ask Jesus the next time he visits.

Try telling that to the 5 year old girl who was abused by a relative who has to live with the memory of what happened for the next 80 odd years, or the woman who's drink (not necessarily alcholic) is spiked and wakes up in a strangers bed. Oh well, at least I wasn't murdered.



They are both equally heinous crimes. Are you seriously suggesting that rape is not a serious a crime as murder???? {{shakes head in disbelief}}

We're not talking about murder, we're talking about abortion. Abortion, that is, of the foetus of a nine-year-old rape victim.

Just realised that doesn't read very well. I should have said:



Abortion, that is, of a foetus carried by a nine-year-old rape victim. I should add that she would probably have died during childbirth as well. Presumably her life is worth less than that of her unborn child.

Imagine any other case where the victim of a crime was punished. And then imagine people justifying it. But religion does that to (some) people.



People like Kirkstaller would persecute and punish the victims of crime. That's how far removed they are from common decency and humanity and morality.



In Nicaragua, the government brought in a total ban on abortion because of pressure from the Catholic Church. That's a [utotal[/u ban. So even if a woman is going to die without an abortion, she cannot legally have one.



Women have died unnecessarily. Women are dying unnecessarily.



That is murder.



Kirkstaller and his fellow fundamentalists support murder. They are, in effect, murderers.



And just for a moment remember that the usual right-wing loonies would be along rapidly enough, squealing, if they thought this was the attitude of lefties, 'having more sympathy for the criminal than the victim'. There'd be uproar. But because religion is involved, they stay strangely silent.

But he didn't write the gospel, they were all written centuries later.

Most biblical scholars concede that.

The canon is hearsay, therefore it is not reliable.

There you are! Was beginning to get worried that we'd driven you to go off and join a devil-worshipping cult.



Still waiting for your responses to my last twenty questions. Too hard for you, I imagine.

Which questions are they? Care to point me in the right direction?